This is a discussion on NYPD: 84 rounds, 14 hits within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mudgen Yeah, it was a knee jerk post from something a friend sent. And I didn't even check the percentage in his ...
Just curious... How many rounds did it take to kill a V/C or NVA solder?
How many rounds are expended on each insurgent in a firefight today?
just like civilians need to wait for initial police response, the patrolmen need to wait for ESU to respond which could take up to 20 minutes. so saying that carbines and shotguns are in abundance is a specious statement
What's really sad is the stupid things people say who have never fired a shot in combat or SD try to armchair quarterback or critique this incident.
It's enough to make ya wanna puke.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
Police got there in time to neutralize a menace to society and apparently did so without any other innocent people getting hurt.
I'd say they did a great job.
If I live there I can tell you that I could care less how much ammo it took to get that guy off the street- it was some of the best tax dollars that city spent.
Police aren't SEALS, and I'm neither.
The SEALS may keep us all free in a national sense but they sure aren't going to help you when a madman is shooting up your apartment building; as for me, anytime said madman is 50 feet away shooting up said apartment complex, I'll accept the fact that I darn well will be held to a higher standard of shooting (or face reckless endangerment) as long as I am allowed to freely employ my Nike defense without so much as a fine or even an editorial about my uselessness to the community in the local rag.
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Well then... First off every pct. has patrol posts on the second and third platoon. Most traffic posts are foot posts. Most housing bureau are foot posts, most transit bureau are foot posts (it's really hard to get those radio cars up unto project buldings, and down into the subway trains). While most of daily patrol is dedicated to radio motor patrol, there is no shortage of foot posts.
There are dedicated units on patrol armed with both shotguns, and carbines. Usually boro TF cars. As far as Emergency Services units(ESU)... they are broken down to sectors, and trucks. I dont think there's a place in NY that isnt a 10 minute response time from an ESS unit. And yes they do carry shotgun's and carbines. And a bunch of other neat stuff. Police response time is not an issue in NYC. Assistance response time is not an issue.
As far as I know... Shootings happen very very fast. The officers focus is usually on survival. I doubt the shooting in question was any different.
Handguns have served the NYPD just fine for many years. These are police officers... not solders. There is no offensive function within the police. There may be times when a rifle or shotgun is appropriate. But in a dense urban patrol that need is rare.
AFAIK currently there is 1 hercules unit that is on duty 1 tour per day, that is the only unit that actually patrols with carbines, other wise you're waiting for ESU to show up.
So who carries heavier weapons?
Boro Task forces have carbines, M-4's.
Every detective squad has at least one shotgun.
RIP (robbery identification program) teams can carry shotguns.
Highway solo cars can carry shotguns.
TNT teams may be armed with shotguns.
Some anti-crime units may have access to shotguns.
And of course the ESS, and ESU teams have heavier weaponry.
Like I mentioned before In a place as dense and populated as NY the option of a heavier weapon may not be the better option.
With the fast response time of a ESS I dont believe there is a need to carry heavier guns on routine patrol. Like I said... these things tend to happen very fast. And unless the average officer takes the gun out of the car on every call... Handguns work just fine in the hands of an officer who's capable of effectively using one.
I'm not looking to beat this dead horse but other than esu, all the other squads might have a shotty or a carbine available for a certain job (highway I don't know, haven't talked to one of them in more than 20 years) but on a tour by tour basis the heavy stuff isn't on the streets
Two NYPD LEO's fire 84 rounds at BG...................whoa.
BG has a .22 revolver and fires at the officers, he had just committed a homicide and an attempted homicide. The two cops return fire, 84 shots fired! Hit the guy 14 times....... He lives.
How the officers both armed with Glock 19 did their thing:
The police officer fired 45 shots — one round in his gun’s chamber, two 15-round magazines and all but one round in his third magazine. He told investigators he thought he was out of ammo. The sergeant also fired one shot he kept in the chamber, two 15-shot magazines and eight rounds from his third magazine.
Why I don't carry a 9mm.................I dunno.
Failure of the round or just bad marksmanship........?
Last edited by xXxplosive; May 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM.