Black gun advice needed

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    Black gun advice needed

    hello, am a newbie to the black gun market, except for my S&W M&P15-22. I live in NYS, and need a NYS compliant black gun, but am unsure what to get.... there seems to be many many different manufacturers right now. I am not looking to shoot any matches or compete with this gun, just something fun that i can sling lead around my property... maybe put a nice red dot on it, nothing too fancy. Any suggestions for something on the "less expensive side of things?" thanks. Bunker
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    Well, I hope you'll see the humor here.
    NYS born (Oneonta)........current Arkansas resident, former Kansas resident. Now you at least know where I'm coming from.
    "NYS compliant" means to me that someone is putting a gun to my back or waiting to put handcuffs on me while I'm standing in front of the statue of Liberty. "Black" means to me a can of Krylon Fusion paint, and "less expensive" means to me Wal Mart.
    In truth, I could more than likely recommend something if I knew exactly what all of your needs were based upon your criteria and location. Spell it out for this hillbilly even if I can read.
    Good luck with it either way. I kinda like black myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    I kinda like black myself.
    You mean you don't like pink AR's?

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    I have a Glock 19 and a Springfield XD40SC. I like them both. The XD has a much better trigger (smooth with a crisp break), IMO, but is top heavy. They Glock 19 is balanced better, but the trigger is not as nice (lots of sack, then sudden resistance). In NYS, if I am not mistaken, you have a magazine restriction of 10 rounds, so the extra capacity argument isn't going to be applicable.

    Edit: I got my wires crossed and thought we were talking about black handguns...
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    I really enjoyed building my AR 15 with stripped lower receiver and a parts kit together with the upper. It was probably 5 years ago but I think it was around $430 to build.
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    Okay, I'm hearing a black gun with rails, but just for fun, capacity not more than 10.

    We need more requirements, Bunker. Every manufacturer out there can meet those requirements in every caliber. Surely you have a few examples of what you like?

    I can tell you off the top of my head exactly the next 5 handguns, and 5 rifles, and 2 shotguns that I want. It's just a matter of picking the order that I bring them into the fold.
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    I would like ten round max (have to cause its NYS law), at least one rail to mount a red dot, and maybe a lower rail to mount a forward grip, especially fond of Colt, absolutely no Remington anything. AM unsure about what kind of rifling (sp?) and length of barrel, but would like it in the nato 223 round. How is this for starters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunker View Post
    I would like ten round max (have to cause its NYS law), at least one rail to mount a red dot, and maybe a lower rail to mount a forward grip, especially fond of Colt, absolutely no Remington anything. AM unsure about what kind of rifling (sp?) and length of barrel, but would like it in the nato 223 round. How is this for starters?
    .223 isn't NATO. The NATO round is 5.56. Almost the same, but not quite.

    Any 5.56 will fire .223, but .223 won't necessarily fire 5.56. Just FYI.

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    "less expensive side of things" and "Colt" tend to be mutually exclusive.

    You are wise to prefer Colt. The LE6290 will run around ~$1,200. Otherwise wait until Palmetto State Armory gets their base-line carbine back in stock for around $699.
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    Just a thought - a "tactical" lever action gun in .30-30.

    Much more politically correct for NY sensibilities. 6+1 rounds of 150-170 gr goodness, plus you can top it off as you go.

    My Marlin 336 was less than $500 NIB, including a scope and sling. Put a butt cuff on it for an extra 10 rounds on the gun. I like it. A lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Just a thought - a "tactical" lever action gun in .30-30.

    Much more politically correct for NY sensibilities. 6+1 rounds of 150-170 gr goodness, plus you can top it off as you go.

    My Marlin 336 was less than $500 NIB, including a scope and sling. Put a butt cuff on it for an extra 10 rounds on the gun. I like it. A l

    this sounds cool, got any pics??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xader View Post
    .223 isn't NATO. The NATO round is 5.56. Almost the same, but not quite.

    Any 5.56 will fire .223, but .223 won't necessarily fire 5.56. Just FYI.
    woops, my bad, shows what a newbie i truly am. What is less expensive to shoot?? the .223 or the 5.56???? i wont be reloading anything, so it will be factory ammo for me. thanks. bunker
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunker View Post
    woops, my bad, shows what a newbie i truly am. What is less expensive to shoot?? the .223 or the 5.56???? i wont be reloading anything, so it will be factory ammo for me. thanks. bunker
    5.56 NATO is cheaper. You can buy bulk but neither is cheap. I have a spikes tactical. They are friggin awesome! They have an entry level ar for a good price. I suggest you look at ak47's and sks. These are a lot cheaper to shoot. 10 round mags can be had easily and they are a lot of fun. I almost like mine more than my ar.

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    Since you live in NY I will suggest that you save your money and avoid over paying for a neutered AR15.

    10th mountain is on the money. In a state that is antigun crazy a good 30-30 is the perfect "non black" tactical rifle. The best part is that it won't scare the sheep. Oh, and is costs way less too.
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