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    What is reasonable gun control...

    I posted this on a political forum where I hang out. It is definitely more anti than pro. It of course stems from the CO shooting. I would be interested in what a very pro-group thinks


    It will be assumed prohibited persons will be similar as is today

    The NFA of 1934 and GCA of 1968 will be repealed. In their place will be the following restrictions:

    1) The following may be purchased with an instant background check. No record of sale shall be required
    A. Revolvers holding no more than 6 rounds
    B. Non-semiautomatic rifles with a fixed magazine
    C. Non semiautomatic shotguns with fixed magazines of no more than 8 rounds
    D. Semiautomatic rifles with fixed magazine holding no more than 5 rounds
    E. Semiautomatic shotguns with fixed magazines holding no more than 5 rounds
    F. Any pistol or rifle of caliber .22LR or less, regardless of capacity
    G. A onetime fee of $20 shall be charged at the time of purchase to be used as in 9) below

    2) The following may be purchased with an instant background check and permanent file with local law enforcement to be updated at any transfer of the gun
    A. Semiautomatic pistols
    B. Semiautomatic rifles with fixed magazines of greater than 5 round capacity
    C. Semiautomatic rifles with removable magazines
    D. Magazine capacity will be capped at 30 rounds.
    E. Owners of previously made magazines may turn them in, receiving a number of 30 round magazines equivalent to the capacity of the surrendered magazine, round up to the nearest number.
    F. Non semiautomatic and semiautomatic shotguns of capacities greater than listed above
    G. Shotguns with removable magazines
    H. A onetime fee of $50 shall be charged at the time of purchase to be used as in 9) below

    3) The following may be purchased with a 30 day background check and permanent file with ATF to be updated at any transfer of the gun through local law enforcement. Renewal of registration shall be made every 5 years through local law enforcement
    A. Pistols capable of full automatic fire
    B. Rifles capable of any burst or full auto firing
    C. Rifles that are converted for bump firing
    D. Pistols capable of generating muzzle energy greater than 200ft/lbs
    E. Rifles or other long arm capable of generating muzzle energy of greater than 5000 ft/lbs
    F. A fee of $50 shall be charged at the time registration, renewal or transfer, to be used as in 9) below

    4) Open carry of firearms shall be permitted with government issued ID and completion of 16 hour course of training on justifiable use of force and shooting skill. Law enforcement may inspect ID with reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity or during a traffic stop. Openly carrying a gun is not grounds for suspicion of unlawful activity.

    5) Concealed carry of a firearm shall be permitted with government issued ID, concealed carry permit and completion of 16 hour course of training on justifiable use of force and shooting skill. Training must be renewed every ten years. Law enforcement may inspect ID with reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity or during a traffic stop. A onetime fee of $100 shall be charged at the initial permit application to be used as in 9) below

    6) Ammunition

    7) Ammunition purchased in person will require a government issued ID and instant approval check
    A. Ammunition purchased online must include purchasers government issued ID number to instant approval check
    B. Online purchases of greater than 1000 rounds will be delivered to customer designated law enforcement where they shall be picked up in person upon confirmation of ID
    C. A fee of $.01 shall be charge on each cartridge at purchase to be used as in 9) below

    8) Opt-out
    A. Businesses who do not choose to opt-out of allowing open or concealed carry shall be immune to civil liability suits
    B. Businesses open to the public who choose to opt-out of allowing legal carry of firearms are assuming responsibility for their patrons and are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use
    C. Businesses not open to the public who choose to opt-out of allowing legal carry of firearms are assuming responsibility for their employees and are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use
    D. Private home owners may choose to not allow firearms into their dwellings without liability
    E. Landlords may not prohibit their tenants from keeping firearms in rented property unless cohabiting with the landlord and the prohibition is included in a written tenant contract
    F. Churches may choose to not allow firearms into their buildings without liability
    G. Schools may choose to not allow firearms into their buildings without liability
    H. Areas and building designated as ‘high-security’ locations may prohibit firearms. These locations must provide onsite armed security and conduct entry checks with metal detectors and/ or physical searches
    I. Cities or other municipalities may enact greater restrictions on carry of firearms as follows
    1. Prohibition of open carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $10 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
    2. Prohibition of concealed carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $25 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
    3. Prohibition of all carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $50 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
    4. Prohibition of firearm ownership- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $1000 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below. In addition, the entity is are assuming responsibility for their citizens and visitors therefore are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use

    9) Usage of fees
    A. All fees collected through the above shall go to the Justice department
    B. Monies collected shall be put into an interest bearing fund to be used, as directed by Congress, with the following priorities
    1. Benefit fund to the victims of gun violence or their families
    2. Violence reduction programs
    3. Liability insurance for gun owners. Yearly fee may be set by Congress for participation, not to exceed the median cost of similar private insurance
    4. Gun buyback and amnesty programs for those prohibited by law from owning firearms


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    There is NO “reasonable” gun control.
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    Reasonable gun control is a 6 inch circle at 15 yards, for rapid fire pistol.
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    i would. however the words i would use to retort to this would violate the profanity rules of this board. so ill stay quiet. But i think you get my drift.

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    Where under our Constitution does the Government get the power to do any of these things?

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    Kennesaw Ga and Switzerland have reasonable gun control. Every elegible citizen is required to own a firearm, and in Switzerland's case, a fully capable combat ready assualt rifle in every home.

    Did I mention that the Crime rates in Kennesaw and Switzerland are negligble? They are. Look it up. Even the inmates at the local Kennesaw prison, on TV, admit that they will not go to Kennesaw, becasue it is to dangerous for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Where under our Constitution does the Government get the power to do any of these things?

    Michael
    It is more food for thought than a plan of action. I am just comparing the responses of two very different groups
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Where under our Constitution does the Government get the power to do any of these things?

    Michael
    Im guessing in the same part that allowed them to completely ignore the 4th amendment when they made homeland security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911247 View Post
    Im guessing in the same part that allowed them to completely ignore the 4th amendment when they made homeland security.
    NSA and NRO are your bigger threat to your rights as a US Citizen and privacy.

    Granted.... Look at what is being built in Utah right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    NSA and NRO are your bigger threat to your rights as a US Citizen and privacy.

    Granted.... Look at what is being built in Utah right now.
    I believe the Upcoming UN firearms treaty is our biggest threat. But you do have a valid point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911247 View Post
    I believe the Upcoming UN firearms treaty is our biggest threat. But you do have a valid point.
    Dear Reader feels that two wrongs equals his 'right'.
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    9) Usage of fees

    When do Government "fees" ever actually get used for their original intended purpose? For instance the astronomical cigarette taxes. Where is all of that $$$ going as in everywhere but, where it originally was supposed to go.
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    Ok I read them. However, they only affect the law abiding citizen. So to me, reasonable gun control is something that I would consider to be something that makes people feel better. How about something that will actually help, like say, reasonable criminal control. Let me propose a ONE strike and you're out deal for any violent crime? Now, isn't that easier with a lot less paperwork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    Ok I read them. However, they only affect the law abiding citizen. So to me, reasonable gun control is something that I would consider to be something that makes people feel better. How about something that will actually help, like say, reasonable criminal control. Let me propose a ONE strike and you're out deal for any violent crime? Now, isn't that easier with a lot less paperwork?
    You know I love you long time.... :-)

    BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ = Wrong.

    1) Progressive Left (call them what you want = the 60's hippies running our Federal Govt right now) will not punish criminals.
    2) One Strike would hurt more Law Abiding Citizens who run against ignorant gun laws than professional criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    9) Usage of fees

    When do Government "fees" ever actually get used for their original intended purpose? For instance the astronomical cigarette taxes. Where is all of that $$$ going as in everywhere but, where it originally was supposed to go.

    Ummmm .....NO. haha

    I read a report a few years back showing these figures of what YOUR tax dollars pay for.

    209 million- Parking garage infrastructure
    87 Million- Cabbage growth
    125 million- the ummmm errrrr this is a family oriented place uhhh......the extra curricular sexual self inflicted habits of 14 year old girls........
    18 million- Study of mold grown on pavement


    the list goes on and on..........but we are a nation focused on EDUCATION! :/

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