Sorry, that was mt last 2 cents lol
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So if it becomes fashionable to sue sign posting businesses because the patrons aren't provided adequate safety, should we then be allowed to sue the federal government and state government for not allowing us to carry in those places listed in the laws?
In SC, we can't carry in establishments that serve alcohol for consumption. Gunman shoots up a Ruby Tuesdays and we should be allowed to sue the state for not providing security right?
What about on voting day? Gunman shoots up the polling station. Sue the federal gov right? I didn't see a cop at the station. Post office...no armed security.
Who will pay the tab trying to sue governments for not providing security at places they don't allow CC? Step up.
Sue everyone. Sue the lawyer that sues everyone and sue him for being sued.
I think I'll sue myself for posting this. I could have hurt myself typing this on my phone. Wait...that would be Apple's fault.
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Sorry, that was mt last 2 cents lol
Last edited by peckman28; July 29th, 2012 at 03:26 PM.
I don't think it is suing over the Aurora tragedy per se. I think it is suing to have a fundamental question answered. If you deny me the right to defend my life, are you then as the business denying me that right responsible for anything that happens to my life as a result of your policy?
I keep hearing sue happy people and frivolous law suits but what you all forget is that this country is based on law suits and the ability to be made whole when someone else makes, sells or offers services that are not what they are said to be. The auto is better because of law suits, homes are safer because of law suits, and the work place is safer because of law suits. Are there frivolous ones; sure but show me one system that was not taken advantage of in one way shape or forum!
I for one have been to court and filed law suits against others for a number of things because I have a right to correct what other deemed was OK to do most of the time with knowledge that it was wrong to start with. Law suits are filed all the time because it keeps people from taking advantage of others.
Let’s say you go to the amusement park and you buy a ticket, you enter at your own risk TO a degree. The park has a responsibility to make the place safe by pulling maintained and inspecting the rides for damages due to wear and tear. You are on the roller coaster and on one of the turns you fall out and are paralyzed because of a faulty seat belt that no one wanted to take the time to fix; whose fault is it?
The parks says you bought a ticket and entered at your own risk so why should we waste good man time to make the rides safer after all it was just YOU and not them that got hurt and you did enter at your own risk. Because of a law suit, they were negligent and you got hurt so you are made whole again by way of a law suit to cover your damages
So why is it so different in a movie theater? Why is it that they don’t have to make sure you are safe in their theater? The seats don’t move, nothing is going to happen or is it. Why have a fire door when they aren’t responsible for the safety of the movie goers? After all by logic on here they are not responsible if you burn to death after all it was the fires fault and they didn’t set it.
I posted the you-tube video to show what happens in a country that has no rights to file for damages. Russia has no system as you can see the driver was more worried about his car then the people he hit.
Lets be clear folks, the Constitution protects citizens from the actions of the government, not individuals or private enterprise. Unless there is case law or statutory law to the contrary (such as the various anti-discrimination laws), only the government can actually violate anyone's constitutional rights. Therefore, the second amendment cannot be used as an argument against the posting of signs on private property nor are the posters of those signs violating anyone's rights. As property owners, they have the right to post or not post, or otherwise use their property as they see fit within the bounds of the law. No one who entered the theater that night had their rights violated, plain and simple.
Whether or not a lawsuit could be successful against the theater for failing to provide adequate security is a matter for the jury, judge, etc. I suspect such a lawsuit would fail were it to make it to court, but I also suspect a good chance of a settlement before trial. Businesses are required to provide a reasonably safe environment for their customers, they are not expected to foresee any possible circumstance where someone could be injured or killed. Unless the exit door the shooter used was somehow in violation of code it is highly unlikely that I court would find the theater responsible for injuries caused by the criminal act of a person who was not an employee of the theater.
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If nothing else, it's good publicity for Front Sight. That and maybe an aid in raising awareness to self protection.
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if the law suit fails and business see that they can put up a sign without recourse and that they don’t have to ensure the safety of others from violence you might as well leave your gun at home because the only place you will be able to carry at is Wal-Mart and 7-11
The fire door operated as intended, it allowed people or a person to exit the theater - kind of hard to prevent the same person from re-entering if they actually have the intelligence to block the door slightly open. Having such a rare incident happen at that particular theater is not reasonably foreseeable.
You never answered the question about your liability for a shooter in your home.
Remember if you enter my home you are invited in (if not you are dead) so that as a homeowner makes me responsible for injury caused by my negligents but if you get hurt by your own stupidity then it’s your problem… (If my dog bits you, I pay but if you tease the dog and then get bit; you lose)
Now if I sell you a ticket to enter my home and someone enter through an unsecure door and shoots you then I didn’t provide a safe environment and crowd control and am liable.
I for one am surprised that no one has mention why the fire doors didn’t have alarms on them in the first place … we can only assume it is because people exit the theater when the movie is over instead of using the front doors. The alarms would constantly be going off and need someone to reset them thus using more man power = less profit for the theater.
We are not talking about 6-10 people here landing in a dirt field; we are talking about thousands of people in a highly charged environment with a violent movie. I remember the movie "the warriors" when it came out back in the 1979 and the violence the movie created from supercharging the crowd after the movie. This is not new to the theater people but to save money and increase profit they don’t hire security to patrol the areaMovie Facts | The Warriors Movie SiteAfter several violent incidents that occurred at various showings of the film, the producers decided to change the poster as a way of cutting down on the violence. The original poster featured the logo as well as a picture of several tough looking gang members. The second poster just featured the logo against a white background.
Remember this Abraham Lincoln was shot in a movie theater over 150 years ago and security is still the pits
Ban it all, sue them all. We have reached the utopia, known as the Nanny states of America.
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