I was talking about you redirecting a question. That is why folks stopped playing with you in the other thread.
Why yes, we do have to defend our rights... You see, the Anti Federalists insisted that we DEFEND our rights by including them in the Bill of Rights... even though those rights were supposed to be innate/natural/God-given, they insisted that they be included in the bill of rights in order that they be specifically enumerated as rights that could not be removed from the people.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THOSE RIGHTS AND DISCOURSE AND HANDBILLS AND OTHER PUBLISHED MATERIALS...
And there is no harm in engaging in discourse about the right.. and about the nuances of that right...
To simply "Stonewall" and refuse to listen, accomplishes nothing. You are correct... we have a right to bear arms, period. regardless of stats... but if the antis are using stats to bolster their "feelings" why not give them stats that prove the facts...
Welcome aboard. You figure sounds about right.
I've been engaged in similar research and have found, roughly, there's about 12,000 homicides by firearms every years in the US. About 17,000 suicides. And a total of about 90,000 shootings, including homicides and suicides. And that's going to vary from year to year.
To say it's a fraction of a percent might be overstating the risk of being killed in a homicide. And the numbers do not take into account mitigating factors like demographics (who and where). Your risk of being a homicide victim go way up if you're a druggie or a drunk, imo.
Place a loaded, chambered gun on a table and have your friend watch it. After about 30 seconds and he says "nothing's happening!?!" Smugly reply "Right"! Pick up the gun and keep your finger off of the trigger and pointed in a safe direction, have your friend again watch the gun. If he's dense he'll watch it again and reply like before, unless you've done something stupid. Then go to the mall and people watch for a while. Ask him to predict which store that punk with the skinny jeans and multi-colored hair will go into next. Do this with several individuals and see how often he can accurately predict the future when people are involved. Now give the gun to someone in the mall (just kidding, don't do this). While you are people watching turn your attention to the food court. You will likely find somebody that simply judging by the fit of their clothes and the strain on the seating should not be chowing down on their 4th plate of random asian buffet and hot fudge sundaes. Ask your buddy if we should take away their fork and spoon, they obviously can't be trusted with those 2 items. Interesting bit of trivia here, both of those items can easily be weaponized with a minimum application of brain cells.
By now you may have established that guns are objects and people are people. When you combine the gun and people things may or may not happen, but only with the aid of people can guns do what they do. You could whip out the ol' "Guns don't kill people" line. But I'm sure he's heard it. Guns no matter how black they are, how many heat seaking bullets they hold, how army looking they are, do not operate by themselves. It takes deliberate action from a human being to light that fire.
Hope this helps. Video it if you can.
Here is a link to crime stats from 2010 back.......United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2010
I will also add to it halfway down the page on this link is a chart showing how many drunk driving fatalities in the U.S. per yr.
They out number firearms fatalities in almost every year.... Drunk driving statistics
There are lots of people out there fighting to restrict gun rights. I say using facts to counter some of their arguments is a productive tool. I fully agree with the "4 words" argument, probably to a fault insofar as I don't even see the need for any other gun laws.
But it is useful to have other arguments. Look at modern politics. Who is really taking the U.S. Constitution seriously?