"Time to End Gun Violence" What does this mean? (random ramblings)

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    "Time to End Gun Violence" What does this mean? (random ramblings)

    I just saw an ad on Facebook with a link to "Time to End Gun Violence," and it struck me that this lofty goal is so riddled with inconsistencies. Are these "Enders" (as we'll call them) interested in ending all violence? Apparently not, or their goal would be "Time to End All Violence." So then, are they accepting of other forms of violence, as long as a gun is not involved? Are they, to reach a logical conclusion, intent on ending all forms of gun violence? This would include lawful self defense, armed police and military as well, wouldn't it? Certainly if a homeowner, police officer or soldier uses a gun lawfully, it is still a violent action. Or would they be using a different definition of violence, say "criminal violence?" If so, wouldn't they say so? And who among us is not in favor of eliminating gun violence as we understand it, criminal violence.

    The sad truth is that "gun violence" is simply a code phrase for "civilian (non military) ownership of guns." Oh these Enders may not have that as an immediate goal, but rest assured that whatever "common sense" measures they want adopted today are the stones which will eventually construct the path to civilian gun prohibition, where the police are neutered and all projected power is found in the military. There may be a faction of Enders who do not feel this way. They are being duped; they are pawns in a larger, less visible struggle against guns. Guns. Inanimate objects that are believed to be instruments of evil.

    Let's face it, the gun control debate is a pitched battle between ideologically opposed forces. There will never be mutual respect, happy compromise and understanding between these poles. Each simply views the other as some sort of disfigured alien creature bent on wholesale destruction of our most cherished values. Enders are not our friends, they are subversive enemies who should be watched and countered at every turn. A few misinformed Enders may be neutered with facts, or even turned to our side, but most will just never "get it." We must be gentle radicals, sympathetic to our opposition but unwavering in our ideals. Only through strident adherence to our standards will we be able to hold the Enders at bay. We know how to end "criminal violence" without losing our guns in the process. We are the players on the field. The fans in the stands are watching this epic battle. We are winning this fight, but the game is not over.
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    How bout we end the people who commit gun violence? To peaceably give up our rights without a fight is a slap ion the face of every person who ever gave their lives in the fight to earn those rights. In effect they are asking us to give up our rights so that we will not have to incarcerate or take the life of a criminal.

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    True justice with retributive punishment for lawbreakers go far to advance the cause of civilized society. Freedom would flourish including freedom from fear of those who would prey on us.

    We will have just as much crime as we are willing to tolerate.

    Think about it.
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    Dude, you just wrote 400+ words using logic and deep thought to debunk a group of goobers on facebook.

    You could have just written the words "idiots on facebook" and we would have had your back. It was a good read though. : )
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    while they're at it, lets be sure and end world hunger, obtain world peace, cure for AIDS and cancer, end drunk driving, eliminate all illicit drugs, stop prostitution, and put a man on Mars before the end of 2013.

    if we're setting goals here, let's just put the pedal to the metal and get 'em all out of the way now.
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    I wonder if those folks are only interested in ending gun violence. Do they not care about violence against women? Racial motivated violence? Domestic violence? Are all other forms of violence of EXCEPT for gun violence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Are these "Enders" (as we'll call them) interested in ending all violence? Apparently not, or their goal would be "Time to End All Violence."
    I believe there is an inherent desire in nearly all, to end violence. But it's a utopian pipe dream, if it's thought the goal can be reached via creating defenseless victims-in-waiting. Won't happen, so long as opportunities to take by force abound. It'll only be reduced to minimums when it's erased from our midst to the extent possible: via improvement of conditions that prompt the violent to act, and elimination of the violent when they do act.

    We must be gentle radicals, sympathetic to our opposition but unwavering in our ideals.
    It is truly a sign of the times when pursuit of liberty is deemed radical. And that's the measure of the fight being waged: for life and liberty.

    That all that was in an "advertisement," eh? Sounds like an advertisement for pursuing the end of what we hold most dear.
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    As soon as they convince all criminals, psycho's, mass shooters and idiots to turn in their guns and never ever use one again ... let us know. Otherwise, they should get busy on those that have them illegally and use them illegally. The laws haven't worked very well in stopping them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    As soon as they convince all criminals, psycho's, mass shooters and idiots to turn in their guns and never ever use one again ... let us know.
    ... so that we can be on the lookout for those with bats, pipes, knives, tire irons, box cutters, ice picks, anti-sway bars, wrenches, hammers, rocks, multiple attacking 'bangers backing up their "homeys," and whatever additional weaponry/tactics will continue to exist.

    When violent perps are erased from our midst, let us know.

    Until then, when the chips're down, halting violent perps so they can be erased from our midst will remain the goal.
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    I view them as Utopians. They believe all people are basically good and evil does not exist. They don't eat meat and teach boys to relieve themselves sitting down. They exist on Unicorn Milk and watercress salads. In other words a fantasy world.

    It's not possible to pass yet another rule or law to make the world harmonious. They have yet to learn it. All they need to do is take a walk in parts of Chicago or Detroit at night alone and unarmed.


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    We must indeed be ever vigilant in the protection of our right to own guns. It is not enough to say we are free. We must also be willing to stand up and defend freedom or else we will wake up one day and find the freedom we so dearly cherish gone.

    When the jack-booted enforcers are at our doorsteps to take our guns they will do so wrapped in the illusion that they are ending all violence. And when they escort civilians at gunpoint to 'education' centers they will do so convinced that they are finally achieving the utopia they so richly deserve. After the 'cleansing' there will only be peace and harmony. (Think this won't happen? History tells us that it has numerous times).

    Call them enders, anti-gun, liberals, or whatever you wish, they believe the promise. They don't need/want facts. We can only protect our right to own guns through our leaders. Therfore we must be willing to support the champions of our cause. They cannot do it alone. Find a way to help. For when the jack-booted enforcers are at our doorstep...it means we lost

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