Doctor Discusses Gunshot Wounds - Revealing!

Doctor Discusses Gunshot Wounds - Revealing!

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    Doctor Discusses Gunshot Wounds - Revealing!

    Not to stir the pot about "best knock-down ammo" and "most effective caliber" etc., but wanted to share this video from another forum. Very interesting and revealing discussion by a doctor on gunshot wounds. This is apparently presented to a medical group, has quite graphic pictures/videos, and some heavy medical discussion, but overall very worth the watching:

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    Even Col. Jeff Cooper reminds us - "Shoot the biggest handgun caliber that you can effectively control". (And, IMHO, conceal a shotgun whenever possible).
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    I made it 9 minutes in and had to walk away. It's sloooooooooooow.

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    Watched to its end.
    Better than Dr. Falcone's presentation back when I was still a working medic.
    That's saying something ... Falcone is not just good, he's very, very good!
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    I made it to the end. Very dry for the most part but there were a few salient points made. I noticed that the ballistic gel test videos the Dr used were from Brass Fetcher.

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    Very interesting!
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    Kinda interesting, but pretty dry. One thing I don't agree with, is this notion that handguns aren't that deadly. I know he gave stats and what have you, but his opinion is going to be skewed, because the people that are shot and are still hanging on long enough to receive medical attention are the ones he sees. The others are sent directly to the morgue.
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    Interesting, but long. Don't get shot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
    Kinda interesting, but pretty dry. One thing I don't agree with, is this notion that handguns aren't that deadly. I know he gave stats and what have you, but his opinion is going to be skewed, because the people that are shot and are still hanging on long enough to receive medical attention are the ones he sees. The others are sent directly to the morgue.
    And based on my experiences, the ones that end up in the morgue don't tell the whole story either. Me telling what I've seen would spark a caliber war for sure...and I don't mean rifle vs. handgun.
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    Considering the average population's attention span being that of a gnat's I predict few will watch the entire video.
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    Ain't that complicated. A rifle is the way to go. The bigger the pistol the better. But in the end 'Shot placement' trumps all

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    This is well worth watching all the way thru. Thanks to the OP!

    Several important points were made: expansion and/or tumbling is related to wound size; Over penetration greatly reduces effectiveness (and may be dangerous for bystanders); larger diameter bullets are likely to be more effective; you may be shooting at very small (relatively) stuctures to stop a BG.

    here are some supplemental data from the www.brassfetcher.com website that did some balistic gel comparisons of 9mm and .45 cal hollow point rounds - mostly popular ammo.
    I'm switching to their recommendation for my G19 (and my G36):

    "We recommend using the Cor-Bon 115gr +P DPX and Federal 105gr EFMJ if bullet expansion after a bone hit is a priority."

    And shooting .45 cal in a G36 they say:

    "Of the six brands tested, four of the six ammunition types failed to expand in the bone plate/gelatin target. The Cor-Bon 185gr +P DPX and Federal 165gr EFMJ projectiles performed effectively, by functioning similarly through the bone plate as they did in bare gelatin. The wounding mechanism of a jacketed hollowpoint is the crushing of tissue through bullet expansion. Failing this, the lethality of a JHP is oftentimes lower than a full metal jacket which wounds through tumbling. FMJ bullet shapes lend themselves more readily to tumbling than a JHP that failed to expand – though many of the unexpanded JHPs did tumble, it was far too deep into the track to have influenced the lethality of the bullet to any extent."
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    But a .45 has already expanded before it's left the case.
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    Since we can't rely completely on bullet expansion, or tumbling if a FMJ, then the oft given advice to carry the biggest caliber that you can handle effectively is the best way to go (Within reason. You may be a crack shot with a 3 inch .44 mag but it certainly is not optimal for self defense). Seems to me that a big/heavy bullet traveling at +P velocities would be optimal. That's why I like heavy-for-caliber +P rounds for SD. If you are recoil sensitive then the non +P versions (still heavy for caliber) would serve almost as well. This is only my opinion, of course.

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    Thanks for sharing op....
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