This is a discussion on Some legal help please. within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by ppkheat When I was a school age kid (1960's) we talked about guns, drew pictures of guns, had cap gun fights, etc. ...
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."
And for the OP, I've been expecting to have to deal with something for a while. Partly because of how I carry, and partly because I will not tell my kids to lie about it. However, since I don't make a big deal out of it neither have they so far. If you want to try to make changes, see if anyone on the school board is willing to take on the ridiculous notion of zero tolerance and start letting the principals make educated discipline decisions based on the event, not some piece of paper.
And good luck.
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Oh I forgot to add ....
Once we took a couple of our Jr High classes on a field trip to Cedar Point, it's an amusement park in Ohio.
Well, while one of our students was standing in line to go on a ride, someone told one of the parks employees that they saw him, one of our students, < they knew he was one of our students because whenever we go on field trips we all wear brightly colored coordinated T-Shirts with our schools name on it for a variety of reasons but also, because it helps us recognize our students from a distance and keep an eye on them > so they said they saw him dropping bullets on the ground and their park’s security officers went nuts!!!
And it was justifiably so for their security to be concerned, going on the information they were given.
When we go there we always have chaperones stationed in the parks office on rotation in case of an emergency. So they took me, being in charge of the trip, into their main security surveillance room and we located our student in question and they brought him into their security office for questioning.
And it was justifiable to do so to follow through on the information they were given.
Remember when we used to carry pager-beepers? Well it turned out that said student was changing the batteries in his beeper and dropped um on the ground and someone mistakenly thought they were bullets.
So there are some real goofy people out there, so what ah yah going to do?
This won't help, it's just a rant, but "zero tolerance" policies are tantamount to "zero brains." Remove ALL discretion from an incident, no matter the intent. Does our education system have to dumb things down that low?
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Again, what's "zero tolerance" mean, what're the consequences?
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I am so thankful that I can afford private school for my kids. Their school has "Famous American Day" around halloween where the kids (up to 5th grade) dress up as a famous American. Both of my daughters have dressed up as Annie Oakley and carried toys guns as part of their costume. Four years ago they both dressed up as Sarah Palin(camo and glasses). They fought over who got to take the toy hunting rifle.
I would agree with previous posters that you must be careful where you step here. Sometimes we have to balance the society we actually live in with the society as it should be as defined by the law of the land or status quo.
All my life I have been given the advice; Keep a low profile, Keep your head down so the bullets pass overhead, Stay in the shadows, and Don't stir things up.
There are many times that I wish I had followed that advice. Of course I do not.
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"We defend freedom here or it is gone. There is no place for us to run, only to make a stand. And if we fail, I think we face telling our children, and our children's children, what it was we found more precious than freedom. Because I am sure that someday - if we fail in this - there will be a generation that will ask." Ronald Wilson Reagan
Serve my country, swear an oath to protect it, pay my taxes, fly old glory in the front yard, love and protect my family, honor the vets before me and help fellow americans in need.
By definition my country now calls me a radical
For those who don't seem to understand I'll say it again. This isn't about zero tolerance policy. It's about the principal telling lies or spreading misinformation to parents.
The topic could be school lunch menus and I still expect the truth.
I have found though that squeaky wheels do indeed get greased. So when I see something I don't like I going to squeak and squeak and squeak. This will be an introduction to the principal of my squeak early and often policy.