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    Some legal help please.

    I was at 1st grade orientation with my son last week and something came up. The principal said that the school has a zero tolerance policy on guns. (<--par for the course these days) They said that even a small plastic toy would be in violation of their policy and the child would be expelled.

    Now to the meat of my post: THEN he said that the zero tolerance policy was not up to him or his superiors and it was, IN FACT, Ohio sate law. I didn't want to call BS right then but I would like some help from those of you more skilled with the keyboard. Can anyone actually find me the Ohio laws pertaining to the matter. Thanks in advance.


    I'm hoping to deliver a printed copy of the actual law right to him as soon as possible....and then call BS.

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    A quick search and this is all I could find

    Ohio Code > Title 33 > Chapter 3313 > § 3313.534 - Policy of zero tolerance for violent, disruptive or inappropriate behavior



    No later than July 1, 1998, the board of education of each city, exempted village, and local school district shall adopt a policy of zero tolerance for violent, disruptive, or inappropriate behavior, including excessive truancy, and establish strategies to address such behavior that range from prevention to intervention.

    No later than July 1, 1999, each of the big eight school districts, as defined in section 3314.02 of the Revised Code, shall establish under section 3313.533 of the Revised Code at least one alternative school to meet the educational needs of students with severe discipline problems, including, but not limited to, excessive truancy, excessive disruption in the classroom, and multiple suspensions or expulsions. Any other school district that attains after that date a significantly substandard graduation rate, as defined by the department of education shall also establish such an alternative school under that section.

    Effective Date: 07-01-1998


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    it is a school policy and that is where you need to go; to the school. State/ federal laws apply to real guns but the school system can make up their own policies when it comes to the students

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    it is a school policy and that is where you need to go; to the school. State/ federal laws apply to real guns but the school system can make up their own policies when it comes to the students
    No kidding? I didn't know that.

    Or maybe I would like to be armed with actual facts when I go in and talk to the guy.

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    What're the consequences if a person breaks one of the "zero tolerance" rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    I was at 1st grade orientation with my son last week and something came up. The principal said that the school has a zero tolerance policy on guns. (<--par for the course these days) They said that even a small plastic toy would be in violation of their policy and the child would be expelled.

    Now to the meat of my post: THEN he said that the zero tolerance policy was not up to him or his superiors and it was, IN FACT, Ohio sate law. I didn't want to call BS right then but I would like some help from those of you more skilled with the keyboard. Can anyone actually find me the Ohio laws pertaining to the matter. Thanks in advance.


    I'm hoping to deliver a printed copy of the actual law right to him as soon as possible....and then call BS.
    Have you thought about asking him for the langauge of the law he is enforcing? If he says he doesn't have it, ask him for the code numbers so you can look it up. The risk of you bringing him something is that he can awlays say that you printed out the wrong code.

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    If you're not planning on sending your child into school with a toy gun then I would just drop it since you going into his school and making even the slightest issue over their policy is going to tag you as a "gun nut" in ther eyes.

    Of course that is absolutely not true and you are not a nut at all but, that is the way they will perceive the event and they will probably make a CYA note of it on your kids permanent record.

    And then who knows what some goofball school official is going to write in that permanent record that is going to follow your child all the way to college.

    AKA: "Keep your eye on this one as the parents are obviously gun owners and the child may possibly bring a weapon into the classroom if ever provoked or bullied."

    That is the way these people think and you're never going to change that. They are intelligent but, very warped and skewed in their logical thought processes.

    If they can expel a girl from school for having two aspirin tablets in her knapsack as a violation of a school ZERO TOLERANCE for drugs (since she did not obtain the aspirin from the school nurse) then they can expel a kid from school for a toy gun.

    My advice...Don't fight city hall with your kids future.

    Just un-indoctrinate him at home.

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    If you really want to push it I`d hire a Really Good Lawyer versed in the LAW and Retire on that!!. It`s the New American Way...even though I don`t agree with it.

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    I'm with QKShooter on this one. Rights have not yet been violated so all you'd be doing is marking yourself as a potential trouble maker. Hold your cards close to your vest, I would document the misinformation though and keep your eyes and ears open since you now know the "lay of the land".

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    I think it is simply outrageous how everything has gone to a "no-tolerance" policy. And, especially, when it comes to elementary school kids. Kids can't be kids anymore. It is ridiculous. A "no-tolerance" policy just takes any common sense handling out of the equation and makes it so school administrators don't have to work at doing their job. They don't have the ability to consider circumstances. Our world is continuing on a downward spiral. I know why and it has been expected, but we won't go into that as going there would be grounds for permanent removal from this board and I want to stay here.
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    Heaven forbid your son hold hands with someone or bow his head and pray at lunch time. Zero tolerance there also.
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    When it comes to schools systems you will not win by sticking your head into the air unless you absolutely have to. Keep it low and educate the facts at home. It is a lot of work to fix all the misinformation from the school day. They just hold all the cards and to QKSHooters point your just making yourself a target for future challenges.

    I am so glad to have my kids out of our local school system. Now we just have to worry about what is taught at college. At least now they can think and have an opinion.
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    It is sad that you have to play their game by their rules but, unless you can home school then you're pretty much stuck.
    If was any other issue other than one that involved your child I would say...go fight it on principle.

    But, you cannot possibly win on this one and you need to choose your battles carefully especially when dealing with the school board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    ...unless you can home school then you're pretty much stuck.
    Which is one of the reasons why we decided to home school. We've chosen a lower income (wife not working outside the home) to be able to have more control over the important things.
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    hire a Really Good Lawyer versed in the LAW and Retire on that
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    Otherwise, QKS hit it on the head smack on square. His advice is perfect.
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