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    Looks like a game of gotcha from here. He distinctly said he cound rack in 0.3 seconds. No mention was made of drawing, aiming, firing or anything else. Anyone who cannot rack a slide in .3 definitely needs to work on their game.
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    Did the clerk have to rack the slide? Sort of looks like it but I can't quite tell. I currently prefer C3 but my risks are different than that clerk's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Looks like a game of gotcha from here. He distinctly said he cound rack in 0.3 seconds. No mention was made of drawing, aiming, firing or anything else. Anyone who cannot rack a slide in .3 definitely needs to work on their game.
    I know that. But I can't figure out why someone would even time themselves racking a slide from a ready postion.....and post it like it is a world record.
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    If you are TRULY concerned about an AD, more like negligent discharge because it won't go off without you pulling the trigger, carrying your gun with a round chambered you need: a better holster (one that covers the trigger guard completely), better trigger finger habits (keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are on your target).





    My carry gun and BUG are both DAO semi-autos with no manual safety on either, both get carried holstered with one in the chamber and a topped off magazine. I have yet to have any kind of accidental or negligent discharge with either, but maybe thats because I have the proper equipment(holsters that cover the trigger guards) and I am properly disciplined in safe handling and manipulation of firearms and know to keep my finger away from the trigger until I am on my target.

    ETA: I'll also throw in the mention of, what if you are already hit, lets say, in your arm or hand, how do you plan on racking the slide on your gun now that you are down to one usable arm? Not chambering that round COULD be like signing your own death sentence if you find yourself in the wrong situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Looks like a game of gotcha from here. He distinctly said he cound rack in 0.3 seconds. No mention was made of drawing, aiming, firing or anything else. Anyone who cannot rack a slide in .3 definitely needs to work on their game.
    I guess the question would be, then why did he post it? The video shows the clerk drawing and firing (well, firing. I don't think he stands at the register with his pistol in his hand all day every day). So, claiming that you can rack in .3 seconds has no relevance to the OP's post. I can say my A,B,C's in under 4 seconds. What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Not a thing. If we can infer that he's talking about going from concealed to racked pistol, than maybe we can guess he has Typing Turret's Syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Looks like a game of gotcha from here. He distinctly said he cound rack in 0.3 seconds. No mention was made of drawing, aiming, firing or anything else. Anyone who cannot rack a slide in .3 definitely needs to work on their game.
    In that case, whats the point of racking a slide in a ready position? His comment was just ridiculous.
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    I looks as though the clerk had practiced, or at least thought out his course of action: Identify the threat, take cover, get to & draw the pistol, roll over, aim, & fire. Then reposition, & lay down suppressive fire with minimal exposure. If he would have had to take the time to chamber a round, the outcome might have been very different. I must admit that I am always amused reading "arm chair" critiques and bravado from folks who have obviously never been in an actual gun battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGunny View Post
    I looks as though the clerk had practiced, or at least thought out his course of action: Identify the threat, take cover, get to & draw the pistol, roll over, aim, & fire. Then reposition, & lay down suppressive fire with minimal exposure. If he would have had to take the time to chamber a round, the outcome might have been very different. I must admit that I am always amused reading "arm chair" critiques and bravado from folks who have obviously never been in an actual gun battle.
    No one is criticizing him. It's just his blind firing was rather stupid. Especially after he just stayed on the floor for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenZ View Post
    No one is criticizing him. It's just his blind firing was rather stupid. Especially after he just stayed on the floor for a while.
    agreed; We are all subject to doing stupid things in the heat of the moment but the idea of blindly firing in a general direction in criminal in it self

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    Whatever works, but it looks like--unfortunately--all shots missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Whatever works, but it looks like--unfortunately--all shots missed.
    He did manage to kill a florescent light though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Just tried it with my EDC (P228)----I am in the crowd throwing the BS flag also. No way concealed with accuracy he could consistently do it in .3 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Just tried it with my EDC (P228)----I am in the crowd throwing the BS flag also. No way concealed with accuracy he could consistently do it in .3 seconds.
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    Even though it's interesting, it is still a two handed draw. What if there is an attacker on top of him and he has one hand holding the guy back; he is screwed !
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    My question for carrying the auto without ammo in barrel, what if you are closely engaged with enemy ( he has ahold of you say, stabbing you), and you are unable to use two hands? How do you work slide with one hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmglock23 View Post
    I can rack in 0.3 seconds, so yeah. My odds of an AD would be much greater than my odds of being the guy in the video.
    Provided both arms & hands are available & functioning, which may not always be the case, & if not ... you're SOL!!

    So, drawing, racking the slide, & firing takes only 0.3 seconds longer than just drawing & firing? I'm impressed, but call me a skeptic ... I'd need to see vid.
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