This is a discussion on I was asked to review an organization's policy within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by BugDude I'm not a lawyer, but it had already gone through their corporate safety and legal departments before it got to me. ...
Bug Dude, good job on pointing out the fallacies of their "plan" to them. It would be so much easier and cost effective to write a policy that read: "No Weapons Allowed EXCEPT those carried IAW State Law"
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Personally I agree with the "in accordance with state law" philosophy. The head office sends out policies that the local sites can add to, but not take from. Given some things I've seen in healthcare settings, I can understand the issue people have with patients, ERs, etc. The policy is written in a manner to cover all, patients, employees, and visitors. Too many variables for one policy for three subsets of population in my opinion. It should have separate sections for each. In the end, like I've seen in other facilities, the signs and policies do not stop things from happening. People don't pay attention or don't care. It's not really worth the paper it is written on.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
There is nothing "common" about common sense anymore.
In fact it is far from being common.
The scary part of this is just how much work we have to do in our country to ensure the 2nd Amendment does not just wither away over time. If this is the thinking in so many in authority then what will we have in five, ten, or fifteen years? What BigDude did is what we must all do. Educate and ask the right questions that bring about discomfort. Discomfort many times leads to education or allowing the educated to help. Just as he did. What strikes me most is how you handled it. Questions, calm thinking, experience, and direction that leads to them realizing they have no idea. You move to authority and can influence to some degree. Ranting and shoving firearms down their throat never works. You are smooth!
Great post and well written to inspire thought and action for others like you who can have influence. Maybe or maybe not in a corporation but even at the dinner table with family and friends. Take this approach and change a mind slowly just as those who dislike guns do to the general public every day. Fight the misinformation with fact and logic to bring about the right conclusion. Over the years I have watched people scared of guns become fans of guns only because they think through things and realize they do have a place in society.
Thanks for sharing!
It's not a problem til they make it one!
the last time I was at one of our ER's there were 4-5 guys there with one guy who had been stabbed. Shortly after they arrived another group arrived with another guy who had been stabbed. It was very obvious that the two had stabbed each other and the situation had not been resolved. The staff indicated they had called the sheriff and both parties left. The point of the story is that two rival, going out on a limb here, gangs who had just had a very violent encounter had ended up in the same ER and the police had to be called. Had to be called.....meaning none there and they don't want to allow me to be armed to protect myself?
Good work, but the best policy is to simply follow Florida law. It is a good thing to point out that bad guys don't obey signs or policy's and that they only affect those of us who follow the law.
A word to the wise isn't necessary, save it for the stupid
Well done BudDude!
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Sounds like a good, quality critique of their proposed policies. I second the 'Bravo Zulu' in that they asked a knowledgable 'somebody' to 'give it to 'em stright'.
You did a good job me thinks.
In referencing Florida Firearms Law, Use & Ownership by Joh Gutmacher, the carrying of a concealed firearm into a hospital or mental heath facility is gray area with no "case law" test, and he urges caution. The caution is for FS 394.458 that prohibits firearms on the grounds of any "hospital (or mental health facility) that provides mental health services" except as "authorized by law. He staes almost all hospitals provide mental health services to some degree.
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Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth
In each case, the customer drops his money in and pockets the key. The rental is for a short time. I never read any instructions, but "the locker will be emptied and contents disposed of if the rent is not renewed" seems a reasonable assumption. Likewise "This area monitored by CCTV".
Amen to notion that it should now be called "Uncommon Sense" because it is not at all common anymore.
Many high level executives think at 60,000 foot view levels and not at the detail implementation level. That is understandable given the nature of their role. There are idea people and implementation people.
There is a test to tell if you would make a good executive. It is several simple questions:
1) How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator?
.answer: You just open the door and put him in. This question tests your ability to simplfy objectives and not overcomplicate task oriented goals.
2) How do you put a giraffe in a refrigerator?
.answer. You take out the elephant and put in the giraffe. This question tests your foresight and ability to connect objectives together as a series of steps.
3) The Lion King is throwing a big party and invites all of the animals to attend. Who does not show up?
.answer: The giraffe, because he is in the refrigerator.
4) There is a river in the Kingdom that is inhabited by alligators and the gazelles wish to cross it. How do they do so without getting eaten?
.answer: They just walk through it. All of the alligators are at the Lion King's party. This tests your memory and ability to see through situations relative to the big picture.
If you scored 100, you're perfect high level executive material. If not, stick to implementation.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
Funny they put so much effort into a policy that will just be ignored anyway.
English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.
You know what stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun
Don't you know that when you have a "No Gun" policy, all criminals will follow it? That's the only way to create a safe zone free from guns and killing.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin
Good job BugDude
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