Do you support a businesses right to ban guns(Poll added)

Do you support a businesses right to ban guns(Poll added)

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    Question Do you support a businesses right to ban guns(Poll added)

    Moderators: if we can make this a poll, please assist. Thanks!Disregard a states individual laws regarding no-gun signs having/not having the force of law, just for this thread.I personally hate to see businesses post no-gun signs. I think it is foolish policy on their part. I try to do my best to not support their business by going elsewhere. Even if it frustrates you, do you believe they should have the right to deny firearms on their property?
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    Of course any business has the inherent right to keep people with firearms out of their premises. Someone's business is a lot like their home. If you are in there, you need to abide by the house rules.

    The thing is, we aren't required to do business there. I certainly won't spend my consumer dollars at any business that would deny me the right to carry my legally licensed firearm on their property. I can understand the concern for customer safety being a reason to deny a licensed carrier access to their business, but unless the business has their own armed security force who would not only guard my safety while in the store, but also escort me to and from the store property to my car, then the business owner cannot guarantee my safety while I occupy his place of business and I need to see to my security myself. That seems fair to me, so I will only shop at those places that do not deny me the right to carry my weapon on their property.

    It isn't really a big deal as only a few places I have ever been to have had a sign posted denying firearms access. When I see the sign, I just turn around and go someplace else.

    It is somewhat different with state laws. Here in Oregon, I can enter a bar or a restaurant that serves liquor while carrying. In Washington, I cannot. It isn't the fault of the business owner, it is just the wacky way Washington state law reads, so if I want a drink in Washington, I have to unholster and leave my firearm in the car.
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    Obviously. It's easy to get focused in on the right to bear arms, but it isn't just the 2nd amendment that we protect, it's all of our rights and freedoms.
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    The 2nd amendment was enacted to prevent the government(s) from infringing(since weakened over and over) not the businesses/people. Just as the 1st amendment does not apply on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discoboxer View Post
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    Disregard a states individual laws regarding no-gun signs having/not having the force of law, just for this thread.

    I personally hate to see businesses post no-gun signs. I think it is foolish policy on their part. I try to do my best to not support their business by going elsewhere.

    Even if it frustrates you, do you believe they should have the right to deny firearms on their property?
    No lawful act should be denied unless it's disruptive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    The 2nd amendment was enacted to prevent the government(s) from infringing(since weakened over and over) not the businesses/people. Just as the 1st amendment does not apply on this forum.
    We are not "customers" on this forum. We are "social guests" on this forum. Different rules apply.

    If we were customers then the forum would be subject to additional restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billstaf View Post
    Someone's business is a lot like their home.
    A business is not like a residence at all. A business shares a lot more in common with a government building than a private residence, with Public Accommodation and anti-discrimination laws being a good start for examples. You can kick someone out of your residence for being Black without and consequence, but do that to a customer in your business and you will fined by the state and possibly lose your license.
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    Unfortunately for me, I work for company that does defense work, and therefore they have the right to not only ban firearms from work, but they are not even allowed on the property. I can't even leave my piece in the parking lot which means most of the week traveling to and from work I am unarmed.

    I don't mind the restriction on bringing them into the facility, but I strongly disagree with the restriction on my ability to travel to work and back protected because I can't even have a firearm or ammo in the parking lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSurfdog View Post

    I don't mind the restriction on bringing them into the facility, but I strongly disagree with the restriction on my ability to travel to work and back protected because I can't even have a firearm or ammo in the parking lot.
    Keep in mind the federal government is the biggest violator of the 2nd amendment.
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    Property rights apply to the stupid and foolish just the same as to the intelligent and enlightened.
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    I support their right, but since MO signs don't carry the weight of law I respect the signs as much as they respect my right t defend myself. I'll go somewhere else, unless there are no other options. Reality is I don't even look for them.
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    Yes. Others rights are just important as mine. It is their property and I am invited to shop there so I abide by there rules.

    Before it is stated there is no legal precedent that a business owner is restricting or otherwise responsible for my safety outside their business while traveling back and forth to that business. So I carry all day and go to a store that says I can't carry I simply go somewhere else or leave the gun in the car no a major issue. They are not restricting my right to self defense I would simply make due with whatever else I was carrying or could lay my hands on be it a clothes hanger or a baseball bat.
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    What he said ^^

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    I support their rights to do whatever they want to do on their land.
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    Yep besides my "NO TRESPASSING" Sign, I'm gonna get a "No Saggy Pants" Restricted area in my yard
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