SHTF in parts of NY and NJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Yup, sheet has hit the fan in parts of Long Island, NYC, New Jersey, and elsewhere.

    This is why I think all homeowners should buy a rifle or shotgun, and keep it home for just such a situation.
    But, but... that just means that people would steal them and make it even unsafer! (Snark - off)
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    This should speak for itself. Yep, Staten Island. There are other areas that are quite bad also.


    I also heard another live feed on the radio today containing scores of people pleading for help AKA food, water, heat, blankets, dry clothes, etc.




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    I really don't see how you think that would happen. Airports are open. Public transportation is
    resuming, the highways are open. Electricity is slowly being turned back on; natural gas too no doubt.

    There is absolutely ZERO reason why essentials can not be delivered, people sheltered, people moved.
    If they can work on Wall Street today, and re-start construction on the towers, as they did,
    things aren't all that bad in "the city."

    Staten Island is a different issue but it is connected to I-95 and the Jersey Turnpike, and Brooklyn.

    The craziness
    you see with gas lines is in or near the affected areas. So, the tv folks show huge lines
    at one of the rest stops near the entrance to the turnpike. Big deal. Sure, folks from the flooded area
    went where they thought they could get the stuff--without driving another 5 miles.

    The damage is extensive along the water but get a little ways away and not so much.

    Why should there be any chaos? Except for the folks whose homes were done in, and have no place
    to go other than public shelters, I don't think there is that much deprivation. And there will be plenty of help
    for those people by Monday; if not already.
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    Take a look at the map of Staten Island.

    The hysterical lady was talking about what no doubt is severe damage in her neighborhood--Dorp Beach.
    Well, sure. Look where that is, right on the Atlantic in the most exposed spot on the Island.

    But her complaints about no one being there to help them seems absurd. Heck, they could
    walk out of that neighborhood. Look at the map, and look how close the interstate is.

    If help is not getting in, there's no excuse. And if folks who want to get out aren't, there is no
    excuse either.

    You can't sit in your severely damaged house going woe is me for very long. The old saying,
    "when the going gets tough the tough get going," applies.

    I'd like to see a reporter do some video of the traffic on that interstate, of the folks boarding the ferry on
    the other side of the island, and of the areas where "normalcy" or some semblance of it exists.
    As I said, the tv folks make their living filming the worst of the worst. They aren't making stuff
    up, but they aren't giving the big pic either.
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    My point is not what people could do. My point is that some of these folks have absolutely no idea what to do.
    And it is not so much the older, totally helpless population that I fear will get crazy real soon.

    But, (of course) I am not Nostradamus so I can only state what I think might be likely to happen. Time will tell I guess.
    And as far as NYC is concerned. Been to NYC recently? Those city dwellers are not exactly famous for their mild mannered patience.
    They don't call it a NEW YORK MINUTE for nothing.
    And their tempers are already borderline flaring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    My point is not what people could do. My point is that some of these folks have absolutely no idea what to do.
    And it is not so much the older, totally helpless population that I fear will get crazy real soon.

    But, (of course) I am not Nostradamus so I can only state what I think might be likely to happen. Time will tell I guess.
    And as far as NYC is concerned. Been to NYC recently? Those city dwellers are not exactly famous for their mild mannered patience.
    They don't call it a NEW YORK MINUTE for nothing.
    And their tempers are already borderline flaring.
    Been to any 3d world s holes lately. You are correct. It only takes minutes or days for individuals to become basic human animals. Been there, done that.

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    I have inside information. I was born in Brooklyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Been to any 3d world s holes lately.
    Yup, since April.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Why should there be any chaos? Except for the folks whose homes were done in, and have no place
    to go other than public shelters,
    I don't think there is that much deprivation. And there will be plenty of help
    for those people by Monday; if not already.
    The problem is that there are thousands of people in that catagory. I hope you're right and they get the help they need very quickly.

    I think people are in shock over losing their homes, cars, and everything they've worked for. Also, it's very cold and is supposed to be freezing tonight. The people who can't afford to go to a hotel are just out of luck.

    One man interviewed last night said he left his apartment to go get water. While he was gone someone used a crowbar to break in and stole a bunch of his stuff. So, now people are afraid to leave their houses to get what they need. Who wants to go out and leave the family behind even if you really need water and food, or diapers and formula?

    The looting is getting worse as the days go on. Looters are getting bolder because they know police can't be everywhere.
    If Bloomberg doesn't ramp it up a bit I see very bad things coming for NY.

    Has the National Guard been called in yet? That's what they're there for, so if they haven't been called, why not?
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    My experience with Hurricanes Frances, Jeanne, and whatever that third one was named that ran over my house in 2004 is that they left the area in chaos, but the residents were not. Yes, we were "extremely" inconvenienced, but the human response was not chaotic.

    To stand in front of a camera and cry, "We're gonna die here," (which the media is feeding upon like staving maggots) is a poor response to the disaster. Do they think help is only a 911 call away? Do they not recall how long it took for the situation to normalize after the hurricanes swept the southeast? With all the local stores closed due to no power, I drove 45 miles or more to get gas and supplies I needed. After Frances took out my power for four days, and longer in many other areas, I bought a generator so I could at least have hot water and refridgeration. The following two hurricanes were much more prepared for.

    There's not a whole lot anyone can do for someone who's house is simply gone. But for a week the media said it was going to hit somewhere in that area. What did people do?

    What many don't realize is the worst is yet to come. Wait until the reports of the scam and rip-off artists start. Wait until many of those poor folks find out their insurance companies either won't cover near what the owners thought was covered, or the insurance companies simply file bankruptcy and never pay out the claims.
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    Another observation is that we've all become so dependent on technology that we've forgotten how to survive if we don't have it. (I'm talking about the collective "we", not necessairly the people on this board).

    People are being told to go to web sites for information on getting help; but what if these people don't have electricity to use their computers? What if their cell phones are out of charge? People in high density housing can't make a fire to keep warm.

    I don't have any answers for them but we should be careful about putting all our eggs in the technology basket and forget how to live without it. We lost power for 12 hours, nothing really but it sure made me notice how much I depend on electricity. We have a well so we had no running water. I had filled up the bathtub so we could use that but even so...

    They say that terrorists are becoming much more sophisticated and will be attacking our electric and water sources next because that's where we're really vulnerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Another observation is that we've all become so dependent on technology that we've forgotten how to survive if we don't have it. (I'm talking about the collective "we", not necessairly the people on this board).

    People are being told to go to web sites for information on getting help; but what if these people don't have electricity to use their computers? What if their cell phones are out of charge? People in high density housing can't make a fire to keep warm.

    I don't have any answers for them but we should be careful about putting all our eggs in the technology basket and forget how to live without it. We lost power for 12 hours, nothing really but it sure made me notice how much I depend on electricity. We have a well so we had no running water. I had filled up the bathtub so we could use that but even so...

    They say that terrorists are becoming much more sophisticated and will be attacking our electric and water sources next because that's where we're really vulnerable.
    You bring up a point that has been discussed here heavily, but apparently not so much in
    the halls of government at all levels. We live in a brittle society. Our electric distribution, gasoline
    distribution, food distribution systems are all dependent on fragile breaking points.

    This is what makes so many of us vulnerable to any of a variety of catastrophes.

    And you are right, there are national security issues regarding vulnerability to terrorists precisely
    because we have failed to have sufficient resilience built into our critical systems.
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    I can say I'm not prepared for a disaster. I have enough food and such for a week about, and some ammo but not much for the long haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    We haven't been hearing much from members in that area, understandably. How are you doing?
    I lost power for a few days. Many of the creeks and streams around here flooded the banks. All day Wednesday I heard nothing but chainsaws. There are power lines and trees down all over the place. From what I understand there are still a few thousand without power in my county alone. Man you never realize how much you take a hot shower and a hot meal for granted until you don't have them.
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    But you survive being hungry and stinky for a few days. Might consider that back-up generator. A decent one will run a water heater or burner well enough to heat that can of beenie-weenies.
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