This is a discussion on Robbery/Looting post-Sandy within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by chiefjason
A few things I have been thinking about. Folks in the city proper may not have a lot of room to ...
November 5th, 2012 07:20 AM
~90 nutrition/energy type bars per person (30 days' worth) don't take up all that much space. The big space-taking problem is, IMO, water. Even a small-ish row of 5gal jugs can run out fairly quickly with a small family, even using it strictly for drinking. Which can be partly compensated for by having one of those tiny portable water purifying units. Imperfect, but it'll do in a pinch.
Originally Posted by chiefjason
Dealing with cold/exposure doesn't help, either. Good thing this didn't happen in January.
And you're right, that all of the prep in the world can be for naught if the house is blown away (ie, tsunami, hurricane, tornado).
November 5th, 2012 08:06 AM
I hadn't thought about going strictly with nutrition bars. Don't really need elaborate meals in an emergency just sustenance.
Water isn't such a big issue for me. 17,000 gallos in the pool and iMovie on a lake. I have filtration devices and some jug water but the reserves are there if needed.
November 5th, 2012 08:20 AM
Thanks for sharing what you saw. I'm sure the supplies such as batteries you brought will be put to good use.*
One thing that bugs me... And it may be different up there than from my experiances in Miami. In Miami... There were lines blocks and blocks long when a gas station would open. It seemed to me people would drive their cars and sitting in lines for hours to get a couple gallons of gas. But I always wondered how much gas they were wasting from sitting in line for hours. It just seems so counterproductive especially when gas stations started rationing gas. There were also the times the government would give out ice. People would line there cars for hours to get ice, playing music in cars while they wait. Is this what your seeing up there?*
It just seemed so counterproductive. And I'm guessing most of these people in lines... Are the ones that did not go fill up their*
vehicles and any gas cans....*
I can only hope... That the people that wernt prepared or didn't know how to prepare will learn from this.*
I wonder with the burglaries and stuff if people that didn't care about the RKBA will see the light now....
November 5th, 2012 08:23 AM
Really interesting discussion. Pythius, I'm sorry that your parents have had a lot of damage but really glad they are ok. I remember one time we had a bad fire in our house. Everyone got out ok but the damage was horrible. Yes, the most important thing is your lives but losing your things is really, really bad too.
We only lost power for 12 hours but it really woke me up to what we need. I bought several of those LED lanterns and they were good to have, but I need about 3 more. I need more candles, and "D" cell batteries, extra gallons of drinking water.
We're lucky because we converted our wood burning fireplace into a propane gas log. We have a big propane tank and it's full so we were ok with heat. We have a gas stove so ok there too. I did remember to fill our tub up so we'd be able to flush the toilets...we have a well so no water if no electricity.
I live in a subdivision that is out in the country on 2 acre lots. Probably 80% of my neighbors have guns and are very protective of each other. So, I'm probably in a pretty ideal situation and I've very greatful for that. Short term crisis...ok, long term crisis...I have a long way to go for preparation.
My heart really goes out to you people that are dealing with this terrible situation in NY/NJ. The pictures are shocking.The article that Rawah posted is amazing (in a bad way).
November 5th, 2012 10:56 AM
I truly hope for the best for everyone up there. I have a few aquaintenaces effected myself as do many of us I'm sure. This is one reason (and I saw another poster say this in another thread) why everyone should have at least a propane stove and a warm sleeping bag. I lived off mostly saltine crackers and peanut butter durring Wilma for around two weeks. My girlfriend at the time thought I was nuts for buying so many saltines. But she was glad to have them once all the meat and perishables went bad. We both filled our vehicles up before each hurricane. That was plenty of gas for a couple weeks. We even drove across alligator alley to get supplies and stuff we needed after a week or two. But we were only able to do this because we filled up our vehicles before. The power to the gas stations come on one at a time generally and when one gets power so the pumps work... Word spreads fast and within minutes there were lines that you could sit in all day.
A good warm zero degree rated sleeping bag, a propane stove, along with some non perishable food will go a long way. I remember making coffee every morning for some of the neighbors because they had no way to even boil water. The people in the neighborhood... even ones that were never friendly really came together to help each other out. After Wilma which was a huge slow moving hurricane (5mph if I remember correctly was how fast it moved) I couldn't even open my door for 30+ hours. Then the neighbors had to help cut a tree apart that had fallen against my condo trapping us in which took another 5-6 hours just to get out. We had hand saws which was one reason.
I think the best advice I could give anyone... Is even if you don't camp or hike... Look at the stuff people who do go spend long periods of time hiking and camping... And look what they take to provide what they need. It can all be carried in a bag and ready in case you ever need it. People asked me why I took some of the stuff I use to ice fish in Colorado like my mr buddy heater.... It is because... I'd rather have it just in case I do need it cause you never know. It's the same reason I carry a gun. I hope I never have to use it...
Again... If you don't camp or hike that's fine... But what the people who do bring and use to survive... Could be something anyone could use in a crisis like this. You can fit everything you need into one pack. Two if you have 3-4 people in the group. I've used stuff I use in the sticks many times just from power outages.
They one thing I see different from Florida and other southern states that have been through this is the weather. We didn't have to worry about being cold. And after years in the mountains of Colorado... I know how deadly cold weather can be. Hopefully they have blankets and enough to stay warm through this.
I truly wonder if the inability to protect themselves and their loved ones from the criminals taking advantage of the situation will see the importance of being able to lawfully own and carry now and we may have a few more that didn't think the RKBA was important can now see why it is.
November 5th, 2012 11:01 AM
I would get one of these WaterBOB Emergency Drinking Water Storage 100 Gallon With Siphon Pump FDA Approved Bladder for each bathtub that I have and fill them before the storm hits.
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November 5th, 2012 11:08 AM
That is a great idea! I've never seen it before. So simple but so effective.
Originally Posted by pgrass101
November 5th, 2012 11:33 AM
I still believe when the bad things happen most people will do the right thing,but I am a realist as there going to be some two legged preditor looking for the easy way out.Of course we'll have a few that just want to hurt people who are down and out!!
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November 5th, 2012 12:47 PM
Most private residences will have a water heater with anywhere from 20- 50 gallons. I realize there has been
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
a move away from storage heaters to point of use and devices which make the water as it is needed,
but many if not most people can get at least some emergency water from the heater.
As a general rule we keep about 5 gallons of deionized water and 24-36 bottles (ca. 12-18 liters) of drinking water
on hand for reasons that have nothing to do with emergency preparedness.
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