People line up to legally make untraceable guns in CA

People line up to legally make untraceable guns in CA

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    People line up to legally make untraceable guns in CA

    ABC 10 News
    Posted: 11/18/2012
    Last Updated: 18 hours ago

    .......It is possible because of the Gun Control Act of 1968. It reads, "an unlicensed individual may make a firearm," but also says it has to be for personal use and cannot be for sale or distribution.

    .......Team 10 purchased a piece of aluminum and watched as it was turned into a receiver for an AR-15. It can take four or five hours to do this, depending on how busy the shop is. Inside that machine shop is a computer-controlled milling machine that cuts out the aluminum.

    What Team 10 ended up with was a receiver that can have parts added to it, such as the trigger, the barrel, the stock and the magazine. Team 10 fired the AR-15 at a nearby range when the receiver was finished and it worked just fine.

    .......When asked about the issue of bad guys building these guns, Harris said it takes time and patience to build a gun and anyone interested in doing a crime "can buy a gun out of a trunk easier than going through the process."



    My Comments: There is more in the report. You can soon expect this to be outlawed now that it is getting attention in the press. Who is that Female Senator from CA who is all for the Assualt Weapons Ban.....?

    News video at the link: 10News - People line up to legally make untraceable guns - Investigations Story
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    .....It is possible because of the Gun Control Act of 1968. It reads, "an unlicensed individual may make a firearm," but also says it has to be for personal use and cannot be for sale or distribution.
    They may be "legal" to make but they seem like they think that these weapons wouldn't be confiscated, (at the range, in vehicle etc.) the second they were found having no serial number? I wouldn't be so optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    They may be "legal" to make but they seem like they think that these weapons wouldn't be confiscated, (at the range, in vehicle etc.) the second they were found having no serial number? I wouldn't be so optimistic.
    Not all commercial guns have serial numbers. I own one. It is a 1930's single shot .22 that was built by Springfield for the Boy Scouts. Now, can you point out the law which states that a gun without a serial number is an automatic confiscation? I'd really like to know because I don't know of any. I could just not have found it, but I'm serious. If there is one I'd like to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    They may be "legal" to make but they seem like they think that these weapons wouldn't be confiscated, (at the range, in vehicle etc.) the second they were found having no serial number? I wouldn't be so optimistic.
    What my FFL friends tell me from CA is you just need to make a unique serial number, like your initials and 0001 added and that helps.

    But you are correct in one implied point of your post, most Peace Officer are totally oblivious to the law and will confiscate them out of ignorance. (that was not meant as an insult to our LEO in general, just based on my observations and coversations with my LEO friends).
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    There are a lot of older or collectible firearms out there that are legal without the serial numbers. It IS also legal to manufacture a firearm (not for sale) but my post was only implying exactly what ANGLICO said in his second sentence beings that this topic is based out of California and especially because of the type of firearm that they're making. I don't know the law for you there in Oregon but I grabbed this snip from calgunsfoundation.org

    Do I need a state or federal license to manufacture a firearm for personal use?

    No license is required, either Federal or California.

    Does my homemade firearm need a serial number?

    No.

    There is no legal requirement for serialization or registration as long as you build a non-NFA firearm.

    Do I need to register my homemade firearm?

    No.

    As long as the firearm is not an NFA item, it does not need to be registered, even home made pistols.
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    Ive built several long guns this way. Ca has not yet addressed them...Yet! With handguns there are some more hoops to be jumped! I'm building a custom 1911 for my youngest son now. since I the builder am not on the "Safe handgun list" I will need to finish it as a Single shot with an over all length of 10.25" or greater. Then He can convert it to a standard 1911 after. For the amount of work I put into it I could have easily bought him one, But this one is his made personally for him! Its not about the serial or the registration. One other reason to build your own is when building a pistol length AR or AK you must only use a reciver that has never been assembled as a long gun. If I build my own I can easily say its a pistol only reciver! DR

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    "Since I the builder am not on the "Safe handgun list" I will need to finish it as a Single shot with an over all length of 10.25" or greater. Then He can convert it to a standard 1911 after."

    Good grief!
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    The senator's name is COMRADE Diane Feinstein. She thinks the only person that should be allowed to posess a fire arm is government. Thats one reason I left that state behind, the others ? thats another story
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    Actually Fienstien is a CCW holder, But only believes "SHE" should have a gun! After all she is an important person. DR

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    Actually since they had somebody else mill out the receiver that would be an Illegal gun,to be legal they would have to make the receiver themselves,It would be like If I gave PSA a block of aluminum and had them mill it out then give it to me without a serial number,I didn't make it.You can buy 80% receivers from shops online and can then finish them and have them anodized which would then be legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Actually since they had somebody else mill out the receiver that would be an Illegal gun,to be legal they would have to make the receiver themselves,It would be like If I gave PSA a block of aluminum and had them mill it out then give it to me without a serial number,I didn't make it.You can buy 80% receivers from shops online and can then finish them and have them anodized which would then be legal.
    With C&C machines the operator only puts the blank in the holding fixture, pushes the start button, and watches the machine do its work. The only skills I need are to pick a blank without defects, and clamping the blank into the holding fixture. The machine owner can coach you through those operations, and Yes You have created your own gun! The cost of those machines has come down to a reasonable amount. I still do it the old way! DR

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    Wait till they watch a couple guys with no C&C machines at all hammer out an AK receiver out of a simple sheet of steel and a dremel tool and some rivets and fashion it into a complete working receiver and see how much of a tizzy that causes them. I can't even begin to tell you how many home made from kit AK's there are. They are simpler to make by far. And many a group of enthusiasts have had weekend get togethers building them.

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    Here's a fun read! Guy builds an AK from a garden shovel!

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    Once you let the Genie out of the bottle... its hard to put it back in. Humans have been making gunpowder and firearms from scratch for over 1300 years!

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