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    Facebook post on what happen in CT. . .

    So I have a friend that is a teacher that posted this on his Facebook page. There has been some amazing dialog on this post and I promised him that I would have a great reply. I am going to do some homework and put my own reply on his pagebut I wanted to see how some of you would reply to this.

    This was posted today and I quote:

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    Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents? Don’t misunderstand, I respect people’s right to an opinion in support of gun rights and do not actually wish ill upon them. Especially since I realize that many people I cherish are among this group. I would miss them dearly and aggressively seek justice for them. I just think it's not fair for those of us who don't support gun rights, and our children, to have to face this threat each and every day. We know that over 32, 000 deaths a year occur from gun violence. When researching further, I also find that the defensive use of guns rationale is difficult to attack and equally difficult to defend with statistics being all over the place. (They range from thousands to 2.5 million such uses. With supporting data that finds that most of these uses are themselves illegal (such as during a crime), unwarranted (such as investigating a noise in a backyard to find nothing), used in self defense against unarmed offenders, used during an escalating argument, used proactively to intimidate “offenders” who have not actually posed a threat, or used by police officers confronting armed suspects.)
    The best reason I have heard for keeping guns in private hands is to defend ourselves against a potentially corrupt government, such as in Syria, which was, after all, the original intent behind our "right to bear arms". I don’t know what the answer is to keeping us safe, but access to guns doesn’t seem to be the solution. At the very least, it is the cause of the problem itself. Would it help to give up some privacy rights? Do we need to spend more to secure ourselves against the illegal importation and sale of guns? Are we going to continue down this useless path of criminalization and building of yet more prisons to house the perpetrators? Would more social programs for youth help? Is the status quo simply the best of all the alternatives? Until we figure something else out, we seem to all be in the line of fire. So at least for now, let those who advocate living by the sword, die first.
    (Written from a place of fear, lets talk, I'm willing to change my mind, hopefully you are too)"

    Thank you and I hope this is a very active thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elrey718 View Post
    So I have a friend that is a teacher that posted this on his Facebook page. There has been some amazing dialog on this post and I promised him that I would have a great reply. I am going to do some homework and put my own reply on his pagebut I wanted to see how some of you would reply to this.

    This was posted today and I quote:

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    Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents? Don’t misunderstand, I respect people’s right to an opinion in support of gun rights and do not actually wish ill upon them. Especially since I realize that many people I cherish are among this group. I would miss them dearly and aggressively seek justice for them. I just think it's not fair for those of us who don't support gun rights, and our children, to have to face this threat each and every day. We know that over 32, 000 deaths a year occur from gun violence. When researching further, I also find that the defensive use of guns rationale is difficult to attack and equally difficult to defend with statistics being all over the place. (They range from thousands to 2.5 million such uses. With supporting data that finds that most of these uses are themselves illegal (such as during a crime), unwarranted (such as investigating a noise in a backyard to find nothing), used in self defense against unarmed offenders, used during an escalating argument, used proactively to intimidate “offenders” who have not actually posed a threat, or used by police officers confronting armed suspects.)
    The best reason I have heard for keeping guns in private hands is to defend ourselves against a potentially corrupt government, such as in Syria, which was, after all, the original intent behind our "right to bear arms". I don’t know what the answer is to keeping us safe, but access to guns doesn’t seem to be the solution. At the very least, it is the cause of the problem itself. Would it help to give up some privacy rights? Do we need to spend more to secure ourselves against the illegal importation and sale of guns? Are we going to continue down this useless path of criminalization and building of yet more prisons to house the perpetrators? Would more social programs for youth help? Is the status quo simply the best of all the alternatives? Until we figure something else out, we seem to all be in the line of fire. So at least for now, let those who advocate living by the sword, die first.
    (Written from a place of fear, lets talk, I'm willing to change my mind, hopefully you are too)"

    Thank you and I hope this is a very active thread.
    With all of the deepest respect from a former educator, this point alone tells me that you have no idea of the threat that we are facing.
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    I wonder how he/she came up with the "more than 32,000 deaths a year occur from gun violence." As far as I know, that number is consistent with the number of deaths by motor vehicle in the US, and deaths by guns amount to about 10K per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boricua View Post
    I wonder how he/she came up with the "more than 32,000 deaths a year occur from gun violence." As far as I know, that number is consistent with the number of deaths by motor vehicle in the US, and deaths by guns amount to about 10K per year.
    ...and the majority of those are 'gangbanger on gangbanger'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    ...and the majority of those are 'gangbanger on gangbanger'.
    Exactly.
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    The problem was, the killer had gun(s), no one else inside the school did. The lock-up system did not work, he simply shot it out and entered unhampered. There was no one inside the school prepared to challenge him.
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    First off, the fact that some of these shooters wear bulletproof vests or other protective clothing tells me that they don't want to get shot. That's why they wear these things and that's why they target gun free zones.

    Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents?

    Because cowards don't knowingly target those who believe in and exercise their Second Amendment rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boricua View Post
    I wonder how he/she came up with the "more than 32,000 deaths a year occur from gun violence." As far as I know, that number is consistent with the number of deaths by motor vehicle in the US, and deaths by guns amount to about 10K per year.
    The government lists firearms deaths for 2011 as 31,547. This includes self defense, suicides, LEO involved shootings, gang bangers ect...
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    Facebook post on what happen in CT. . .

    The FBI number for 2011 of Homicides is 14,000. Any other number is suspect and can range from accidents to suicides

    FYI the number of Homicides is 1994 was 23,000 and has been decreasing every year. We have how many more guns in circulation than then? ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Happypuppy View Post
    The FBI number for 2011 of Homicides is 14,000. Any other number is suspect and can range from accidents to suicides

    FYI the number of Homicides is 1994 was 23,000 and has been decreasing every year. We have how many more guns in circulation than then? ;)


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    Agreed!! The CDC lists the number of Homicides as 11,400 or so for 2011.
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    It's like these people live in a fairyland. Guns are here to stay. That's all there is to it.

    A man should not be cowering in fear in supposedly free society hoping that the government protects him. He should walk tall and utilize whatever tools are available to defend what's his.
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    Lets just say your friends logic is...flawed. To quote:

    "Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents?"

    This is just as a bad as when someone suggests that people that are anti-gun and unwilling to defend themselves deserve to be shot.

    To put it another way, do women that dress provocatively deserve to be raped before women that dresses conservatively?

    This is no way to start a dialogue and I strongly suspect that your friend is not actually interested in one. Not a real one anyway.
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    Facebook post on what happen in CT. . .

    This is a great source for all issues relating to guns.

    http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...6_1_screen.pdf

    Tell your friends about it. It will prove that most statistics used by the antis are either flawed or outright exaggerated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    First off, the fact that some of these shooters wear bulletproof vests or other protective clothing tells me that they don't want to get shot. That's why they wear these things and that's why they target gun free zones.

    Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents?

    Because cowards don't knowingly target those who believe in and exercise their Second Amendment rights.
    OH YEA!!! Just look at all the mass shootings that take place at gun shows around the cou....... er, well never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elrey718 View Post
    So I have a friend that is a teacher that posted this on his Facebook page. There has been some amazing dialog on this post and I promised him that I would have a great reply. I am going to do some homework and put my own reply on his pagebut I wanted to see how some of you would reply to this.

    This was posted today and I quote:

    "
    Why can't people who support gun rights be the only ones shot during these incidents? Don’t misunderstand, I respect people’s right to an opinion in support of gun rights and do not actually wish ill upon them. Especially since I realize that many people I cherish are among this group. I would miss them dearly and aggressively seek justice for them. I just think it's not fair for those of us who don't support gun rights, and our children, to have to face this threat each and every day. We know that over 32, 000 deaths a year occur from gun violence. When researching further, I also find that the defensive use of guns rationale is difficult to attack and equally difficult to defend with statistics being all over the place. (They range from thousands to 2.5 million such uses. With supporting data that finds that most of these uses are themselves illegal (such as during a crime), unwarranted (such as investigating a noise in a backyard to find nothing), used in self defense against unarmed offenders, used during an escalating argument, used proactively to intimidate “offenders” who have not actually posed a threat, or used by police officers confronting armed suspects.)
    The best reason I have heard for keeping guns in private hands is to defend ourselves against a potentially corrupt government, such as in Syria, which was, after all, the original intent behind our "right to bear arms". I don’t know what the answer is to keeping us safe, but access to guns doesn’t seem to be the solution. At the very least, it is the cause of the problem itself. Would it help to give up some privacy rights? Do we need to spend more to secure ourselves against the illegal importation and sale of guns? Are we going to continue down this useless path of criminalization and building of yet more prisons to house the perpetrators? Would more social programs for youth help? Is the status quo simply the best of all the alternatives? Until we figure something else out, we seem to all be in the line of fire. So at least for now, let those who advocate living by the sword, die first.
    (Written from a place of fear, lets talk, I'm willing to change my mind, hopefully you are too)"

    Thank you and I hope this is a very active thread.
    This is without a doubt the most uneducated drivel I have ever read!
    Your "friend" has no clue about what they are talking about.
    If this post is produced by an "educator" they need a few more decades behind a school desk.
    Syria is the reason for us to keep and bear arms?!?! What a load of crap!💩
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