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    If you need fruther reasons to carry or own firearms look no further--->
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    46 Shot 9 Dead

    That was the score this weekend in Chicago. 46 shot (actually puncture wounds) nine dead, Chicago stopped counting graze wounds and only counts actual bullet holes now, you don't count if you get your nose or ear shot off. Chicago is also a city three quarters of which is unsafe to walk in, referred to locally as "Indian County".

    This is the crowning achievement of our politicians and the social engineers, who long ago decided that big, bad, brutish policemen were no longer needed. So it came to pass that in the 70's they started forcing females onto the department. That did away with height and strength requirements. They then decided that the correct rainbow of colors was needed. To accomplish this they lowered the aptitude tests and created quotas. That did away with intelligence and integrity requirements. Of course gays could not be excluded
    either. The ideal candidate for promotion became a black transvestite with a Spanish surname who had lesbian tendencies.

    Our weapons were next on their agenda. Saps, zap gloves and the like were banned, little cans of pepper spray were issued (what a joke). Our shotguns were moved from the front seat to the trunk, from the trunk
    to the radio room and from there just disappeared. New ammunition was issued which was so inadequate it would ricochet off of car windshields. And God help you if you hit someone with your flashlight.

    Finally the politicians got rid of the real Policemen. The Superintendent was fired and they hired an FBI weenie who never worked the street in his life. He, in turn, fired the Commanders who were real Policemen
    and replaced them with internal affairs weenies and gays and a decent sprinkling of color. Finally they sweetened the retirement pot offering health care to anyone wishing retirement, thus eliminating the last few
    remaining real Police. The result is a department that is befuddled, cow towed, weak and totally not feared by the thugs and gang bangers, but oh so politically correct.

    The City has succeeded in ridding itself of the brutish dinosaur cops of old and has replaced them with little girls and yuppies who wouldn't know a bad guy if he spit in their face. They also have a 50% increase in
    homicides this year and dozens of people shot every weekend. There are more people shot each weekend in Chicago than in Baghdad, Kabul or Detroit.

    Rejoice oh liberals, you have gotten exactly what you wanted. Hope you enjoy it!

    Sincerely, a retired old-school cop





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    "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    That's a stupid argument, and I'm not afraid to tell anyone that. Including family members who may be anti-gun.

    There's a big difference between wanting to kill someone and being willing to kill someone!

    I don't want to kill anyone! And I hope I never have to. And no one in their right mind does either!

    However, I have accepted the premise that I will use lethal force (without hesitation) to defend my life, or that of a loved one against a deadly threat if that is what it takes. It's as simple as that.

    I also have no problem telling people, if they are incapable of comprehending the gravity, and immediacy of being faced with a deadly threat, and the God given desire to be the one who lives... then they obviously are a person who believes that their life isn't worth much. And are certainly a person who does not need a gun.

    So just keep your mitts off of my guns.

    I get tired of those arguments. They are stupid, and the people who bring it up and phrase it in such a manner, know it also. And I have no problem giving them a tongue lashing, and piece of my mind for their stupidity, and audacity to try and lay a guilt trip on me. I don't care much for weak minded people. They are always bringing people down around them with their mealy mouthed, milquetoast personalities.

    If they are shocked and offended by my response, they usually learn their lesson and don't act that way around me anymore. Problem solved.
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    Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowwalker View Post
    I have been carrying since 1955 and I have been in the military, been a police officer a supervisor for a international agency a training officer for casino and a retired federal officer. unlike CDW I have been shot at, stabbed, beat with a bumper jack, 4 car wrecks and 3 house fires and yes 2 heart attacks. Nothing can prepare you for events but being ready for the unexpected is your greatest advantage along with your mind and how to handle it. So now it comes down to can I handle my responsibility as a gun owner and yes the pressure of your peers, when I was released from the service in the 60s I had a lot of pressure but I made up my mind that I would go on to do the right thing and owning a gun does not mean that you have to or will hurt some one but look at it from my side I will not let some one do harm to my famiy, or friends and I would not want to bear the burden of knowing that I could have stopped the threat. Now its your choice I have made mine
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    Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    People, especially mothers need time to work through their grief and anger at this tragedy.

    They don't know anything about guns, and they are being fed misinformation by the media who has a definite agenda.

    Because they haven't, or otherwise don't enjoy poking holes in paper, and they don't think fighting solves anything - even if it is fighting back when running and/or hiding is not an option, they can't imagine a use for guns.

    Best thing to do at this point us to tell your mother that no matter what you love her. Give her some time to deal with the tragedy, and at some point attempt a reasonable conversation. I think it might be best to do this through written words. That helps keep passions from hijacking passionate conversations.

    BTW, if you are lucky, like me, this will work. My mother is a crazy anti gun nut, and slowly, but surely I have been able to bring reason into her mind. She still hates the idea of me owning guns, but is supportive. It helps that I don't personally gave an assault style rifle, nor do I want one...

    Good luck.

    P.s., Hopefully the pink Davey Crickett 22lr gift for my 6 y.o. daughter doesn't undo the recent progress. Presents will be opened soon... Wish us luck.

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    Because I want to protect myself from those who want to harm me or my family and if that means killing them then so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billstaf View Post
    Time heals all wounds.
    Not always. Can depend on how deep the cut, how wide the wound and how much "salt" is poured on it after.
    A woman must not depend on protection by men. A woman must learn to protect herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PIMking View Post
    Because I want to protect myself from those who want to harm me or my family and if that means killing them then so be it.
    Bless you. That is short and sweet and right to the point. My thoughts exactly.

    With the addition that (IMO) no one has the right to take my life, but God. Anyone else will be stopped (with lethal force if neccessary). I will stop at all costs any Bad Guy that trys to play "God" with me. After all I will be protecting God's property.
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    Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    I carry a gun as a natural extension of my personal self defense philosophy. I tend to think in terms of reasonable force and not in terms of killing or not killing.

    Here is Iowa's take on reasonable force, CHAPTER 704 FORCE == REASONABLE OR DEADLY == DEFENSES:

    http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/cool-i...nput=704#704.1

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    Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"


    Because if you're doing something that I don't want you to do, like trying to kill me, a gun will probably make you stop.
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    "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    Here is one answer I like...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G551KpNnA0&sns=em

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    Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyone View Post
    People, especially mothers need time to work through their grief and anger at this tragedy.

    They don't know anything about guns, and they are being fed misinformation by the media who has a definite agenda.

    Because they haven't, or otherwise don't enjoy poking holes in paper, and they don't think fighting solves anything - even if it is fighting back when running and/or hiding is not an option, they can't imagine a use for guns.

    Best thing to do at this point us to tell your mother that no matter what you love her. Give her some time to deal with the tragedy, and at some point attempt a reasonable conversation. I think it might be best to do this through written words. That helps keep passions from hijacking passionate conversations.

    BTW, if you are lucky, like me, this will work. My mother is a crazy anti gun nut, and slowly, but surely I have been able to bring reason into her mind. She still hates the idea of me owning guns, but is supportive. It helps that I don't personally gave an assault style rifle, nor do I want one...

    Good luck.

    P.s., Hopefully the pink Davey Crickett 22lr gift for my 6 y.o. daughter doesn't undo the recent progress. Presents will be opened soon... Wish us luck.

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    Well, I didn't ruin Christmas, and though my mother wasn't keen on the rifle as a gift for my 6 y.o. daughter, she kept an open mind as I explained that this just might save my daughter's life or a friend's life someday. Most of her friends live in gun free households, and don't know a thing about gun safety, though I'm sure many will be curious. If they ever stumble on a gun she will know what to do and what not to do.

    My mother could understand this because many years ago when I was a wee squirt, she picked up a used couch that was donated to a church, and under the cushion she found a loaded revolver.

    That could have ended badly had I or one of my siblings found it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I have had concealed carry for about 20 years, fortunately I have never needed it.
    I also wear a seatbelt when I'm in a vehicle fortunately I've never needed that either.
    I have a fire extinguisher in my home and it has fortunately remained unneeded.

    If a life threatening situation should unfortunately happen it is my sole responsibility to try and ensure my survival.

    Anybody who feels like they don't need a firearm to protect themself in the event of an emergency is betting their life using a "head in the sand" philsophy.
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    Where do you conceal carry that AR15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunByte View Post
    Not really. They are just betting with the odds. Something we all do in many areas of our life. Many people prepare for the possible that is likely rather than the unlikely simply because it is possible. Heck, I did not start carrying a gun until I was 61 years old. Seems that I did not know that I was supposed to be afraid of going around unarmed all that time. Now I know differently although it still seems strange that almost everyone on gun forums has never fired a shot in anger, at least in enough numbers to show that the odds are more than tiny to need one. In fact, I have never known or met a person who needed a gun and neither have my friends. I guess all the violent crime is in other people's neighborhoods. :) Those of us who have used a firearm to kill humans tend not to hang out on forums as for some of us it took years to get over the aftermath of what killing another human does to you. I have not even talked to my own parents about what happend in Vietnam. Only my wife knows what it did to me as I used to wake up at night and attack her thinking she was the enemy sneaking up on me. Back then they did not have a name for it and we were left to work it out for ourselves. Some did and some did not. So although I carry a gun, mostly because I collect them and like to have them with me like a watch from my watch collection, I know that sometimes it is better to be take the small risk of being a victim of violence than to live with the aftermath of using your gun and taking a life no matter how you think you will feel sitting at home without the emotions and feelings that come with it that you will not be prepared for. So I do not think "Hiding their heads in the sand" is the correct description for those who do not carry as I think it takes more courage to go through life unarmed than armed.
    20 years ago I was a police officer.
    Technically, I did not ever "need" the pistol I carried since I never had to shoot anyone. Right?.... I think not.
    Being prepared is quite different than being afraid.
    I am prepared.

    "Hiding head in sand" describes many that I know; another way to phrase that would be "it won't happen here" or "this is a good neighborhood" or ....
    They are unwilling to make the clothing modifications or go to the extra inconveinence of consistently carrying a handgun (my wife included).

    My wife has concealed carry but only carries if going to _______, or it's _______ time of the day, as if criminals only target people at certain places and at certain times . Her head isn't in the sand, she is playing the odds, isn't fully comitted to consistent carry, and likes to dress a certain way.
    In reality, most of the time, she is with me and knows darn well that she IS protected.

    Playing the odds usually works out fine for people; but when it doesn't

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