"Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"
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December 23rd, 2012 11:42 PM
"Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"
After the Sandy Hook tragedy I had a small falling out with a couple anti-gun people in my family including my mother. Before Sandy Hook my mom didn't seem to have a problem with me owning guns and her only concern seemed to be me having a safe to properly lock them up and store them in. Well, poorly timed, she found out shortly after sandy hook that my fiancé bought me an AR-15 for Christmas (purchased weeks before sandy hook) and flipped out and urged me to get rid of all of my guns.
I will NOT be giving up my right to own guns based on someone else's fear or hatred for them. I have no mental health issues what-so-ever and I legally,safely, and responsibly own my firearms. Upon telling her I would not be getting rid of them she promptly said "*blank* you", told me I ruined Christmas, and took down all of her Christmas decorations including the Christmas tree. Still makes no sense to me how my gun ownership relates to Christmas..... Anyways
This brought up the question from a 110% anti-gun member of my family; "Why do you need guns if your not going to kill anyone? You don't need them at all. I have lived this long without needing a gun to protect myself and I would rather be shot and killed than have to shoot someone, I would use my fist or anything around me to protect myself but not a gun."
Now, I am 22 years old. My aunt who is not anti-gun agrees with my views but thinks it makes no sense at my age to have them yet. The reason I own firearms are as follows:
1. Protection. I have my carry permit and carry as much as possible. I also have them for home defense. I have a fiancé and plan on having kids. These are people that I care about. I do not own guns because I WANT to kill someone, but because if someone makes a decision to put my fiancé, my future kids, or my own life in danger I WILL protect. Even if some anti-gun jury throws me in jail after a defense shooting because I'm an "evil man just for owning guns" I would much more easily be able to cope with going to jail than living my life knowing I watched my wife or kids or both get killed in front of me while I had no way to stop it. Or being killed myself obviously.
2. Hobby. Why can't I target shoot as a hobby. Practicing and perfecting shooting the middle of a target is the same thing as practicing and perfecting your free throw shot in basketball right? Getting the ball in the basket? How about throwing horseshoes and getting ringers perfectly around the pole? Golf? Trying for that hole in one? Darts anyone? it's all the same. The only difference is shooting is slightly more dangerous. But that's where responsibility and safety comes in.
3. Learning. I have dreamt of becoming a police officer my whole life because I love helping others and theres no better satisfaction than knowing at the end of the day someone NEEDED you in a certain situation and you came through and got the job done. What better job than police officer? When someone needs help or is in trouble who do they call? (not ghost busters LOL) I have spent my whole life doing everything to not fall into the traps of teen and 20s behavior of this generation. While 90% of everyone else my age is out partying it up and being reckless and having "fun" I have been staying out of trouble doing nothing to risk tarnishing my background or record ruining my chances of becoming a police officer. I have been working full time since I was 17, up to 3 jobs at once. I don't even drink at all because I like to be in complete control over my actions and mind at all times. I am going to do everything in my power to live out this dream and by owning firearms now it gives me a head start for when I have one on my "tool belt" on a daily basis for work. I wanted to learn the Ins and outs of safety and function of firearms as well as practice. I know they teach you in academy but when has coming prepared for something ever hurt anyone?
I feel like I am a very responsible 22 year old and very mature for my age and don't think owning firearms makes me a bad person and don't think my reasons for owning them are wrong reasons. Right? Am I going crazy here?
December 23rd, 2012 11:59 PM
I have had concealed carry for about 20 years, fortunately I have never needed it.
I also wear a seatbelt when I'm in a vehicle fortunately I've never needed that either.
I have a fire extinguisher in my home and it has fortunately remained unneeded.
If a life threatening situation should unfortunately happen it is my sole responsibility to try and ensure my survival.
Anybody who feels like they don't need a firearm to protect themself in the event of an emergency is betting their life using a "head in the sand" philsophy.
No internal lock or magazine disconnect on my pistols!
December 24th, 2012 12:04 AM
I don't want to kill anyone - but I'm willing if someone leaves me no choice. Also - they're great for killing other things. Like animals, targets, etc..
As for the "I would rather be shot and killed than have to shoot someone" - lots of people think this way. The very idea of violence/deadly force is so abhorrent to them, they can't bear to face the reality that it is even possible. So they dismiss it. I know a few folks like this - I don't try to change them. It's how they want to be....
December 24th, 2012 12:09 AM
I don't have much to offer in the way of thoughts because I think you covered your topics so well. I would encourage you to continue to speak in defense of your rights and be vocal about it. I'm your same age and I can tell you that I only know one other person our age who is as mature and focused on becoming a good citizen as you outlined. (I've been dating her for 4 years now.) I'm young enough to only have taken an interest in changing my country recently but old enough to know that if all the thinkers and freedom lovers stay quiet the only voices heard will be the agenda pushers, the buzz line repeaters, and those awfull "why can't America be more like the UK" ers.
As a fellow young citizen I applaud you and hope you continue the good fight.
December 24th, 2012 12:13 AM
Re: "Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"
Where do you conceal carry that AR15?
Originally Posted by CDW4ME
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December 24th, 2012 12:16 AM
Love her and do your best to play along when in her house (for example, don't carry on her property).
Originally Posted by RugerSRGuy
But she's the one with the mental problem: if she can't handle your exhibiting adult decision-making behavior - to the point of profanity and a tantrum - she's clearly (well, to me) not capable of controlling herself. She likely knows this and fears how SHE would behave if she had a gun. Since she's not interested in examining herself (and certainly would shy away from recognizing any flaws), she shifts her legitimate self-distrust onto you. It's called projection. Don't expect it to change.
Recently someone reposted a good article on the psychology of anti-gunners: if someone could provide a link again here it would be helpful. The guy who wrote it was a psychologist and all I'm doing is working from memory of his essay.
December 24th, 2012 12:22 AM
Not sure where you live in the northeast, but have the 2007 Petit murders in Connecticut evaporated from your family's collective memory? Does the fact that a state sanctioned the release of these savage predators cross their minds?
Do they only wear seatbelts when driving near home because most traffic accidents occur close to home?
Do they not have locks on their doors because no one has ever broken in before?
Is Neville Chamberlain their hero?
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December 24th, 2012 12:29 AM
I have been carrying since 1955 and I have been in the military, been a police officer a supervisor for a international agency a training officer for casino and a retired federal officer. unlike CDW I have been shot at, stabbed, beat with a bumper jack, 4 car wrecks and 3 house fires and yes 2 heart attacks. Nothing can prepare you for events but being ready for the unexpected is your greatest advantage along with your mind and how to handle it. So now it comes down to can I handle my responsibility as a gun owner and yes the pressure of your peers, when I was released from the service in the 60s I had a lot of pressure but I made up my mind that I would go on to do the right thing and owning a gun does not mean that you have to or will hurt some one but look at it from my side I will not let some one do harm to my famiy, or friends and I would not want to bear the burden of knowing that I could have stopped the threat. Now its your choice I have made mine
December 24th, 2012 12:34 AM
Ironically I live IN Connecticut. 10 mins from the Cheshire town line (town of the petit incident).
Originally Posted by gasmitty
December 24th, 2012 12:37 AM
I don't want to kill anybody,but if somebody wants to kill me or my loved ones I would really like to have something to add to the discussion,like some 230 grain gold dots
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
December 24th, 2012 12:55 AM
"Why do you need a gun if you don't want to kill?"
You sound like a very level headed young man. I know forty year olds who don't have it together like you do.
I say shoot and enjoy. Don't feel bad about your choices and I would like to add that you seem to have the makings of a good law enforcement officer!
Kudos to you!
December 24th, 2012 01:00 AM
I am not sure if this is the one you are referring to, but is this it? Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality, By Sarah Thompson, M.D.
Originally Posted by Paymeister
December 24th, 2012 01:07 AM
No...at least you have an understanding, unlike those around you.
I want to have a job where the is no accountability,a job where I can do as I dang well please and make my own laws and act like a KING. I want to be on the Supreme Court.
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December 24th, 2012 01:11 AM
RugerSRguy: (rather than retype this--I just "quoted" something I wrote earlier today in a different thread--but I think it applies here as well.
To your relative who is a Pacifist, while I don't agree with them, I do respect them, as long as they are willing to truly live (or die) according to their stated principles. You have thought through this well. Steer a straight course, maintain your convictions, get (or maintain) training to match your equipment and convictions and don't be ashamed of your convictions--just recognize your logical arguments will not change an irrational, emotionally based response.
For many of those who oppose guns in general, or "Assualt Weapons" in particular, their position is at base an EMOTIONAL reaction that will not be affected by logical reasoning. I think that for most "anti's" the real issue that lies deep inside of them is a life of denial. They do NOT want to believe that EVIL men and women stalk among us, looking for victims.
This was thrust home again to me this work week in a discussion with a co-worker. This is a generally "good" person, who is usually, pretty rational. He wanted me to sign a petition to our legislators and he thought it was pretty "middle-of-the-road" and that I would agree with it. It contained language about banning/prohibiting ownership of "AWs". I thanked him and told him that I would not sign it. He was incredulous and this led to the discussion about "why would anybody need an AW?" Fairly quickly it got to the question I asked him: "Do you actually expect evil or crazy people to obey the laws?" He tried to dodge it, and I pressed him, and he finally (with great reluctance and some anger) admitted "No." "If the BGs have them and WILL use them, why should I not be able to defend myself adequately?" At which point, it became too emotional for him and he reverted back to his simple: "I just believe that there are too many guns."
Bottom line, its NOT about logic, its about maintaining an illusion (delusion?) of painful reality that they avert their eyes and turn their heads away from, lest they actually see that evil stalks among us.
Scott, US Army 1974-2004
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
- Ronald Reagan
December 24th, 2012 01:13 AM
Its a terrible thing to be put in that position. TO have your own mother cuss you out, and canceling the Christmas holiday, and blaming you for it. All I can say, is to stay true to the principles that you have spoken on. Sometimes on an very emotional subject, people will not listen to reason, and it's best not to try. Wait til things calm down, and try to talk reasonbly and clearly, later.
In the meantime, take the high road.
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