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    I used to be a member years ago and by reading this Thread I finally got off my lazy butt and just signed up again.


    Thanks for the push and the shove...

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    C'mon guys keep spreading this around.
    Use the link to save $10 off the annual dues and email it to friends and relatives.
    You guys probably spend $25 dollars a year on worthless crap; I know I do.
    Start brown bagging lunch for a week or two(or 3) to offset the cost.
    Use your noodles and I'm sure you can see where you could save $25 real fast.
    Even if only for a year, can you imagine what Capitol hill would be thinking if membership could double in the next few months?
    They would NEVER be thinking Anti-Gun legislation!

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    this kinda has to do with the NRA. Why do the anti's blame name the NRA for gun crimes? I talked to a person today about it and they treated me like I've pulled the trigger and killed a bunch of people. Are they really that stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skysoldier29 View Post
    this kinda has to do with the NRA. Why do the anti's blame name the NRA for gun crimes? I talked to a person today about it and they treated me like I've pulled the trigger and killed a bunch of people. Are they really that stupid?
    Do any of the eighty million responsible gun owners in this country blame the NRA?
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    If You Aren't An NRA Member...

    I hope I won't get roasted for this. I probably will, but here it is:

    The press conference they gave the other day was so horrible, I think the time has come for an alternative to the NRA.

    I appreciate what the NRA has done for gun rights and for the sport of shooting. However, a leader that is such a train wreck of public speaking and who blames video games and movies does not speak for me as a gun owner.

    They totally have failed in anticipating the negative impact that their blame game has had. Furthermore, the idea of suggesting armed guards at schools, although maybe not an altogether horrible idea, unquestionably was the wrong response in this case in terms of public relations.

    They should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign!

    I'm willing to bet the CT shooter's mom was an NRA member. Where was the NRA in helping her identify that her son was about to snap? Where was the NRA in securing her firearms from him?

    Their response was ridiculous, and made gun owners look like idiots. They have harmed us more than helped us in this case.
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    If You Aren't An NRA Member...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    I hope I won't get roasted for this. I probably will, but here it is:

    The press conference they gave the other day was so horrible, I think the time has come for an alternative to the NRA.

    I appreciate what the NRA has done for gun rights and for the sport of shooting. However, a leader that is such a train wreck of public speaking and who blames video games and movies does not speak for me as a gun owner.

    They totally have failed in anticipating the negative impact that their blame game has had. Furthermore, the idea of suggesting armed guards at schools, although maybe not an altogether horrible idea, unquestionably was the wrong response in this case in terms of public relations.

    They should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign!

    I'm willing to bet the CT shooter's mom was an NRA member. Where was the NRA in helping her identify that her son was about to snap? Where was the NRA in securing her firearms from him?

    Their response was ridiculous, and made gun owners look like idiots. They have harmed us more than helped us in this case.
    I could not disagree more. This shooting is a no win situation for gun owners and the NRA. The reaponse given by the NRA was well thought out (if imperfectly delivered) and addressed the shooting from several different avenues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    I hope I won't get roasted for this. I probably will, but here it is:

    The press conference they gave the other day was so horrible, I think the time has come for an alternative to the NRA.

    I appreciate what the NRA has done for gun rights and for the sport of shooting. However, a leader that is such a train wreck of public speaking and who blames video games and movies does not speak for me as a gun owner.

    They totally have failed in anticipating the negative impact that their blame game has had. Furthermore, the idea of suggesting armed guards at schools, although maybe not an altogether horrible idea, unquestionably was the wrong response in this case in terms of public relations.

    They should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign!

    I'm willing to bet the CT shooter's mom was an NRA member. Where was the NRA in helping her identify that her son was about to snap? Where was the NRA in securing her firearms from him?

    Their response was ridiculous, and made gun owners look like idiots. They have harmed us more than helped us in this case.
    Blaming movies and video games for the shooting is a lot less ridiculous than blaming the NRA for not identifying and stopping schizo boy before he started shooting people.
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    Bardo is correct. the NRA represents gun manufacturers, but not gun owners. Their advocacy for the Second Amendment is really an advocacy for more guns, ammunition and profits for the gun builders. Maybe there needs to be an NRA alternative or at least a change in leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Bardo is correct. the NRA represents gun manufacturers, but not gun owners. Their advocacy for the Second Amendment is really an advocacy for more guns, ammunition and profits for the gun builders. Maybe there needs to be an NRA alternative or at least a change in leadership.
    The relationship between the NRA, its members and the firearms industry is a symbiotic one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post

    They should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign!

    I'm willing to bet the CT shooter's mom was an NRA member. Where was the NRA in helping her identify that her son was about to snap? Where was the NRA in securing her firearms from him?

    Their response was ridiculous, and made gun owners look like idiots. They have harmed us more than helped us in this case.



    ^^^^^^Spoken like a true liberal^^^^^^^^^

    with his hand out, and expecting the "Government" or another organization to solve everyones problems.
    What in the H.E. Double Hockey Sticks ever happened to accountability?
    The NRA was supposed to lead her by the hand and make sure she kept her firearms secure, AND
    diagnose her son?

    I hope you're kidding. Hopefully you're not a Troll.
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    Rejoined a few days before the Newtown shootings. Had a concern about finances but realigned some priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Bardo is correct. the NRA represents gun manufacturers, but not gun owners. Their advocacy for the Second Amendment is really an advocacy for more guns, ammunition and profits for the gun builders. Maybe there needs to be an NRA alternative or at least a change in leadership.
    NEWSFLASH!!! Without gun makers we cannot own guns. Without gun buyers gun makers do not exist either. This aint rocket surgery mister, you can't have one without the other.


    Oh, and Bardo was nowhere near correct. The NRA is in the keeping us armed business. The AMA is in the mental health business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    I hope I won't get roasted for this. I probably will, but here it is:

    The press conference they gave the other day was so horrible, I think the time has come for an alternative to the NRA.

    I appreciate what the NRA has done for gun rights and for the sport of shooting. However, a leader that is such a train wreck of public speaking and who blames video games and movies does not speak for me as a gun owner.


    They totally have failed in anticipating the negative impact that their blame game has had. Furthermore, the idea of suggesting armed guards at schools, although maybe not an altogether horrible idea, unquestionably was the wrong response in this case in terms of public relations.

    They should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign!

    I'm willing to bet the CT shooter's mom was an NRA member. Where was the NRA in helping her identify that her son was about to snap? Where was the NRA in securing her firearms from him?

    Their response was ridiculous, and made gun owners look like idiots. They have harmed us more than helped us in this case.
    Bardo,

    The portion of Lapierre's speech regarding video games and movies, as I read it, is to illustrate the hypocrisy in the media - the glorification of a culture of violence as entertainment while demonizing lawful gun owners and attributing the responsibility of violent actors on the gun owners. Here's the text of that portion of the speech, and the full text is available at the NRA website.


    "So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.

    And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

    Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?

    Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."

    But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?

    In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes every minute of every day of every month of every year.

    A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.

    And throughout it all, too many in our national media ... their corporate owners ... and their stockholders ... act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away."


    Regarding your assertion that guards in schools was "unquestionably was the wrong response in this case in terms of public relations," I must ask why. What is wrong with a law that enables local municipalities to provide security for their kids in school if they so choose?

    Regarding your assertion that the NRA should have come out with some kind of mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign, that solution seems far afield of the NRA's purpose. Also, they are a 2A organization, and they are likely not qualified to whip up a " mental illness diagnostic or educational campaign" in a week.

    Finally, you have the forum - What do you propose the NRA response should have been?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    ^^^^^^Spoken like a true liberal^^^^^^^^^
    Ad hominem attack much?

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    with his hand out, and expecting the "Government" or another organization to solve everyones problems.
    What in the H.E. Double Hockey Sticks ever happened to accountability?
    The NRA was supposed to lead her by the hand and make sure she kept her firearms secure, AND
    diagnose her son?

    I hope you're kidding. Hopefully you're not a Troll.
    I'm not gonna get into a big back and forth here, I know my opinion might not be popular. I just want to clarify one point:

    I'm not asking for a handout or for the govt to solve any problems. We're talking about a private organization paid for by members dues. You're asking me to give them money, and I'm saying they don't represent what *I* think an organization that represents me should represent.

    If your slogan is that guns don't kill people, people kill people (which I absolutely believe) then they should be working not just on reactive solutions (arming citizens) but proactive solutions.

    The NRA already does this to some extent... They are the number one source of gun safety information and training. Why not extend that to mental health and violence prevention? How about education programs for parents to help them monitor their children's computer use to help them know if little Johnny is gonna go on a shooting spree?

    In the gun safety courses I've taken, I don't remember there ever being a discussion about mental illness or what behaviors a parent should be concerned about.

    These measures won't always work, but any of these would have been better than the response they had at their press conference.

    The NRA that I want to join should be a rock of education and idealism for safety and responsibility. The NRA in that press conference was a paranoid "Us vs Them" circling of the wagons.

    Lashing out at video games and movies was nothing but a desperation move. Talk about giving people an excuse to avoid personal accountability! Shall we ban those instead?

    It's an odd protector of the 2nd amendment that would sacrifice the 1st in its place.

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    I looked at kindergarten game. Its nothing compaired to Assassin's Creed, uncharted, modern warfare, black ops, and others, I'm sorry to say my son (14) has these games, Its no question in my mind these life like games I posted will teach a kid tactics on how to kill.

    He knows every gun the military has.

    I do stay on him about them, no excuse for it tho(me).

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