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    Some may have seen this already but I still wanted to post it. I saw it first in a email that is going around.

    Americans Won't Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
    A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
    *****************


    Ordinarily, I'd agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

    To those on the political and those pushing gun control in the childish naivete. You need to understand two things: One: Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That's one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
    If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs, please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
    For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I'd go so far as to say some are even 'leaning forward,' eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.

    Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to "pry the weapons from their cold dead hands." Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin, and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.

    Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

    I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion. PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.

    Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined!
    SOURCE: AMERICA'S HUNTERS --- The world's largest army
    Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
    And don't think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
    A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.

    SOURCE:
    Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as (scary looking weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. The Justice Department's interviews also showed so-called assault weapons are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban .
    Read more at: Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

    Consider this: Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
    The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.
    Read more at: Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

    As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns well within arm's length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed either with an edged weapon or a firearm.
    Let's be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.
    I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

    A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
    Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

    As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.
    'Moln lab'is ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
    I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
    So what does 'molon labe' mean? Well, it is an invitation and a challenge all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: 'Come and take 'em.'

    Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: Deo Vindici, which means: God is with us.
    This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but intend to win decisively.
    Last edited by Bark'n; December 29th, 2012 at 12:48 AM. Reason: fixed typo in title
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    that is the best read i have read in a long time!

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    Guns if war were given to children which many did not want war and after the war children came home as men which many were broken. When they were given the order to go and defend this country they did ,all gave some and some gave all. Medals were given to some while others were spat upon their pay $90 a month, their benefits barely any and now because defense must be taken across the globe but cannot be tolerated at home to protect a family I say for shame how dare you make criminals out of we the people who gave you your job. Sorry got carried away and if the moderators so wish they can toss this and I understand God Bless
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    LOL oh Lord here we go. This could be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40strapped View Post
    Some may have seen this already but I still wanted to post it. I saw it first in a email that is going around.

    Americans Won't Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
    A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
    *****************


    Ordinarily, I'd agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

    To those on the political and those pushing gun control in the childish naivete. You need to understand two things: One: Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That's one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
    If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs, please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
    For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I'd go so far as to say some are even 'leaning forward,' eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.

    Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to "pry the weapons from their cold dead hands." Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin, and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.

    Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

    I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion. PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.

    Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined!
    SOURCE: AMERICA'S HUNTERS --- The world's largest army
    Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
    And don't think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
    A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.

    SOURCE:
    Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as (scary looking weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. The Justice Department's interviews also showed so-called assault weapons are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban .
    Read more at: Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

    Consider this: Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
    The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.
    Read more at: Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

    As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns well within arm's length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed either with an edged weapon or a firearm.
    Let's be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.
    I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

    A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
    Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

    As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.
    'Moln lab'is ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
    I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
    So what does 'molon labe' mean? Well, it is an invitation and a challenge all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: 'Come and take 'em.'

    Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: Deo Vindici, which means: God is with us.
    This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but intend to win decisively.
    Now this is a worthy letter to pass on to your govt officials. Its straight up truth! I would love to see you send this to feinstein, not sure anything will click with her. Id also Love to see this sent to MSNBC CNN and even FOX.. This is not a joke and they keep pushing until there is bloodshed. They way most people see it is disarming us of any weapons is a violation of Law therefore, We would not be breaking the law, the government would be the law breakers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    LOL oh Lord here we go. This could be good.
    It's lasted longer than I thought it would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    It's lasted longer than I thought it would.
    haha I was thinking the same thing

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    As I posted in another topic. If it ever came down to firearms being declared illegal and a 30 day grace period was given for surrendering the weapons many would be turned in given up without a fight simply because law abiding gun owners are just that, law abiding.

    Not every gun owner is a veteran, 2A hard liner, ready to confront LE who come to get their guns. They would not want to face jail time, fines or a physical fight to keep a gun. Yes there would be many who would hold out, hide what they have, fight to the death and so on but not many.
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    US Soldier Suicides Outnumber Combat Deaths In 2012

    WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – American soldier suicides continue to outnumber combat-related deaths in 2012, and the trajectory for soldier suicides continues to get worse.

    Statistics released by the Department of the Army show that through November potentially 303 active-duty, Reserve and National Guard soldiers committed suicide. As of Dec. 7, Stars and Stripes reports that 212 soldiers have died in combat-related deaths in Afghanistan.
    I post this story only to point out that our troops are becoming increasingly disheartened and discouraged of the B.S. going on in Afghanistan.

    Do the anti-gun zealots, and politicians really think the troops are going to come home only to end up with new orders to be part of the governments plan to confiscate guns from US citizens, their own family members, and friends (who by the way, will be declared as "enemies of the state)?

    I think not!

    This was an excellent post. It really needs to circulate and be submitted to the print media.

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    Last edited by Bark'n; December 29th, 2012 at 12:46 AM.
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    Outstanding....

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    While I like this thread I can already see it walks a fine line as far as discussing criminal activity...if we can continue to avoid anyone discussing what they would do in case of such a ban than I think this thread might just make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    As I posted in another topic. If it ever came down to firearms being declared illegal and a 30 day grace period was given for surrendering the weapons many would be turned in given up without a fight simply because law abiding gun owners are just that, law abiding.

    Not every gun owner is a veteran, 2A hard liner, ready to confront LE who come to get their guns. They would not want to face jail time, fines or a physical fight to keep a gun. Yes there would be many who would hold out, hide what they have, fight to the death and so on but not many.
    This rings true to me. I would also like to add that is my impression that those who do the saber rattling are generally a different group than those who do the a ss kicking.
    "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations” – James Madison 1788

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    Well just for giggles, Michigan has somewhere around 600,000 hunters. Say 90% of them decide to give up their guns, that still leaves a force of 60,000 to contend with. That's three army divisions (infantry) just in Michigan. Personally, I think 90% is shooting for the moon. Then you have the non-hunters, sport shooters and grumpy old men that don't give a rat's behind. Wisconsin has about the same number of hunters. Leadership would be the big issue that I can see and organization.

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    Good article. I can't help but wonder how a ban on firearms and associated products (ammo, holsters, belts, clothing, optics, etc)
    would impact the economy.

    I doubt the feds would offer the same bailout they gave to GM.
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    "To support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic"...meant it then, mean it now.
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