Why good people need AR15s

Why good people need AR15s

This is a discussion on Why good people need AR15s within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...assad+Ayoob%29 An excerpt: In the last twenty years, we have seen epic mob violence in American streets. During the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, ...

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    Why good people need AR15s

    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...assad+Ayoob%29


    An excerpt:

    In the last twenty years, we have seen epic mob violence in American streets. During the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, Korean storekeepers armed with AR15s kept their stores and livelihoods – and lives – from the torches of inflamed crowds because the mob feared their force multipliers.
    I thought I'd share this because it's full of good reasoning that we can share with reasonable people, which may be otherwise ignorant of the uses of ARs in everyday life.


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    Good article. Thanks for posting the link. I just sent the link to a bunch of people I know, including one who is of the opinion that no one "needs" a "assault rifle" and "high capacity CLIPS" except for the military or police. Hopefully, he will read the article and "see the light"! I think most of the other people I sent it to have already seen the light--a long time ago. A couple of them even own those "evil" assault rifles!
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    These BG's must have being smoking some weird stuff not to go down after a couple of hits.

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    Eh...

    Maybe not necessarily "need"...

    More like just have the RIGHT to own...

    I am confident i can hold my own with my 870 and 336...

    Agree with the articles premise though, good stuff.

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    It is my God given right, screw needs. Good points though.
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    Whatever you choose to protect your family with should be a choice not dictated by the liberal media or the government
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    Re: Why good people need AR15s

    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post
    Eh...

    Maybe not necessarily "need"...
    You never need it, until you do.

    If you had to stare down a mob, would you really grab your 336 if you had access to an AR or AK?

    If that's all you have or want, that's fine. But it's very near sighted to say that they aren't needed.

    First rule of fighting: there are no rules.

    We want to take every advantage to destroy the wolves that prey on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    You never need it, until you do.

    If you had to stare down a mob, would you really grab your 336 if you had access to an AR or AK?

    If that's all you have or want, that's fine. But it's very near sighted to say that they aren't needed.

    First rule of fighting: there are no rules.

    We want to take every advantage to destroy the wolves that prey on us.

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    I kinda, sorta, maybe, agree here. Buts lets be very real. Depending on how we use the term "mob", theres alot of room for debate. A mob of 10, why not the lever gun? A mob of 50? Maybe you need to just pack up and run, especially if alone. An armed mob? Yeah, best to not try to face that one down.

    I am for the ownership of a M60 or M240 if thats what you want. But its a dangerous, and quite frankly, silly mindset to believe you must own this mystical black, over priced, and , underpowered high cap squirrel rifle to defend against, well, what?

    Everyone should have a battle rifle of some type, as patriots and free people in their homes. Mine is there just in case of the worst case scenario, one that is unspeakable. But lets face it, for just about anything outside of total anarchy, and out right large scale war, the lever guns, and other rifles will get the job done.

    Have it because you want it. But dont be a victim of thinking you need it.
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    If there was a mob and I could choose anything...it would be a claymore mine,
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    If there was a mob and I could choose anything...it would be a claymore mine,
    Yep, and a looonnng piece of det cord at the end of the "clacker"
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I kinda, sorta, maybe, agree here. Buts lets be very real. Depending on how we use the term "mob", theres alot of room for debate. A mob of 10, why not the lever gun? A mob of 50? Maybe you need to just pack up and run, especially if alone. An armed mob? Yeah, best to not try to face that one down.

    I am for the ownership of a M60 or M240 if thats what you want. But its a dangerous, and quite frankly, silly mindset to believe you must own this mystical black, over priced, and , underpowered high cap squirrel rifle to defend against, well, what?

    Everyone should have a battle rifle of some type, as patriots and free people in their homes. Mine is there just in case of the worst case scenario, one that is unspeakable. But lets face it, for just about anything outside of total anarchy, and out right large scale war, the lever guns, and other rifles will get the job done.

    Have it because you want it. But dont be a victim of thinking you need it.
    You're absolutely right. I was trying to illustrate that needs do exist.

    Of course, every scenario can be imagined under the sun, and people gotta determine the best course of action given their particular scenario.

    The proper mindset and skill-set are more important, to me, than the tools. Owning an AR, or similar rifle, won't defeat any mob, army or boogey man by themselves. I think that a person needs to consider the big picture beyond the tools. One could be a victim thinking he doesn't need a battle rifle, just as well as thinking he that's all he needs. It ain't any good without the know-how and the resolve to use it, judiciously of course.


    The worst case, unspeakable scenarios are the very ones we must consider, right? While not probable, they are possible.


    In parting, let me add this: The AR-15 type rifles are very user friendly. My 16 yr old son can handle my Winchester 94 well enough, but my wife, daughters, and younger son struggle with it. However, with the AR they can lay down some serious lead, accurately, in short order
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    While the AR 15 is not near the top of the list of rifles I'd choose if I was incorporated into a defensive militia (at my age) and needing to provide my own rifle, I'm a good person and upstanding citizen and deserve the liberty of owning an AR 15, proper ammunition, and suitable supporting accouterments.





    The fact that I'd select the M1A, M1, Model 1903 or 1903-A3, or maybe even the Enfield No. 4 Mk1 or No. 4 Mk 2, or even acquire an AK 47, all before I'd choose the AR 15 has no bearing on the degree of "need" for the rifle.
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    dukalmighty,

    You made me bust a gut reading your comment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    You never need it, until you do.

    If you had to stare down a mob, would you really grab your 336 if you had access to an AR or AK?

    If that's all you have or want, that's fine. But it's very near sighted to say that they aren't needed.

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    We want to take every advantage to destroy the wolves that prey on us.

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    Don't get me wrong zacii...

    Like i said, i agree with the article...

    Just don't like the current mindset that you must have AR or AK to defend yourself.

    As for mob/battle situation; I'd like to be behind the M249 SAW personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post
    Don't get me wrong zacii...

    Like i said, i agree with the article...

    Just don't like the current mindset that you must have AR or AK to defend yourself.

    As for mob/battle situation; I'd like to be behind the M249 SAW personally.
    I agree that you don't have to have an AR or AK to defend yourself, but it's also a bit of a stretch to say that one (other than yourself) doesn't need one.

    Let every man decide what is best suited to his own needs. And let's not get in the verbal trap of the antis to determine what other people may, or may not need.

    Mobs come out of nowhere, and sure we'd all like to get a hold of SAWs and Claymores at the local sporting goods, or surplus store, but that's not in cards right now. The next best thing, for some, is a semi-automatic rifle with standard capacity, detachable magazines. Lots, and lots of full magazines
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