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    Why? If we have a ban everyone should be safe as kittens.....right? Bueller? Bueller???
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    If we can't be protected by semi-automatic firearms with a capacity higher than 10, neither should they.
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    Maybe he's beginning to get worried?
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    The protected few. Signs lifetime protection for the few, but would apparently sign lifetime forcible disarmament for the many, in a heartbeat.

    Treason by any other name is still treason, when it comes to gutting the Constitution by anything other than Amendments via 2/3rds of the elected reps. Though the likelihood of it ever been taken that way by "the few" is practically nil.
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    It never made sense to me when the 10 year law was enacted. I think this is probably a good thing for everyone. Sure the cost of protecting former presidents is high, but I imagine the cost of losing one to a terrorist attack would be even higher.
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    He spends a lot of time golfing,wide open spaces lots of standing around,once he leaves the Presidency he gets a scaled back personal detachment and nothing like the one he now enjoys
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    Sure the cost of protecting former presidents is high, but I imagine the cost of losing one to a terrorist attack would be even higher.
    What would such so-called "costs" be, pray tell?

    Bummer to lose a prior politico, sure. But, a high cost? I don't see it, really. Beyond the office, a previously-hired person who's gone on to other things is ... well, just that.
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    It would be a huge victory to whatever group was able to pull it off. That's not something we need. If we can spend a few mil a year to prevent that, it is money well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    What would such so-called "costs" be, pray tell?

    Bummer to lose a prior politico, sure. But, a high cost? I don't see it, really. Beyond the office, a previously-hired person who's gone onto other things is ... well, just that.
    Plus most of those guys reap the profits of their position long after they serve their term; 10 years, I'm ok with but after that they ought to pony up the dough if it's that important.

    Of course, having that lifetime of protection does become a little more urgent when you've made an enemy of half the country so I can see why the community organizer would get that one signed and off his desk quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    It would be a huge victory to whatever group was able to pull it off. That's not something we need.
    Sure, the claimed "responsible" group would be able to claim it. And so? As with any other robber, murderer or whomever, they get treated as what they are and held responsible for it. With a previously-hired person, it's little different than with any other citizen who's got a vested interest in surviving life in the future. Welcome to the real world. Either the former hireling is one of the People, or he/she is not.
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    I had always thought that former Presidents already received it.

    I have no problem with it. ( I can't believe I'm saying it about something Obama did, but there it is)

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    If you can't see the difference between an ex-POTUS and a guy that worked at the local plant down the street for 40 years then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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    I always thought former presidents had this - and they did. I didn't realze it had changed. Fom the secretservice.gov site FAQs:

    How long do former presidents receive Secret Service protection after they leave office?


    In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his/her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection. In 1997, Congress enacted legislation (Public Law 103-329) that limits Secret Service protection for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under this new law, individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton will be the last president to receive lifetime protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    If you can't see the difference between an ex-POTUS and a guy that worked at the local plant down the street for 40 years then we're going to have to agree to disagree.
    I certainly see the difference. I just don't see any attack or loss due to a criminal act post-office as being a "high" cost, beyond the media frenzy it would likely generate. And that alone isn't, in my view, enough of a reason by itself. In that we'll likely disagree. Which is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    Plus most of those guys reap the profits of their position long after they serve their term; 10 years, I'm ok with but after that they ought to pony up the dough if it's that important.

    Of course, having that lifetime of protection does become a little more urgent when you've made an enemy of half the country so I can see why the community organizer would get that one signed and off his desk quickly.
    Though you were being sarcastic, you made a point. Serving as POTUS makes you very unpopular with a large chunk of people (nationally and world-wide). For that reason alone, the job should come with lifetime protection.

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