January 17th, 2013 01:00 PM
Old? We still have bottle deposit in MI...
Originally Posted by high pockets
January 17th, 2013 01:11 PM
maybe some kind of a plug with a shorter spring and still be able to utilize those mags.
Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunder bolt...... Sun Tzu.
The supreme art of war is to defeat the enemy without fighting........ Sun Tzu.
January 17th, 2013 02:23 PM
The debate over limited capacity mags is off and running
What is the defining interpretation of the new mag limit restrictions
What is a common ground restriction
How may rounds do you gun-quacks need
It's like a episode
Why do they keep bring up: "It's for the good of our children "
There was a saying we sensible Adult Pack Leaders used to refer to when my kids were in the Cub Scouts.
Quote: "If all the adults would curb their personal + selves-serving = attitudes, and/or go-way. The kids will have more fun!"
Same can be said about youth sports too! Soccer Mom's chill
But nooooooo....they, mostly non-leader parents, had to inflict their own self serving agendas onto the Pack's Activities that WERE MEANT FOR the children, to the point that all it did was cause bickering and ruin all the fun of belonging for the Scouts!
Now I'm not making light of what has happened in Sandy Hook by no means. But enough of the exploiting of the fact of what happened. It is a horrendous shame of using that as your agendas excuse, to fuel your power-push to disarm Law Abiding Citizens.
Look at how ridiculous the new NY Law is written, because of its hasty generation. It was voted in before a majority of those whom voted it into law even had a chance to read it! Now even LEO's are in violation of it?
Every-time you hear or read something anti-firearms related. It ALSO includes or starts out with mention of the Sandy Hook incident. Even Obama had a group of kids that wrote him letters condemning it paraded out onto stage when he held his photo-op, promoting his preemptive political agenda, and he also had victimized Sandy Hook parents in the audience that he introduced.
7-round magazine limit? Even a 10-round limit? Since about 99.999999999% of the firearms on the market today have a standard capacity of more than that.
Seems to me to be an attempt to start the domino's to fall towards an agenda to precipitate to dis-empowerment, and the disarming of all of our Law Abiding American Citizens.
Where is our power of self preservation, self endowment, and civil rights going?
January 17th, 2013 03:13 PM
For guns that are in dealer stock, I don't see any problem for Glock, and other manufacturer's, to come out with a very simple kit that restricts the 10 round magazines that were in stock in NY to 7 rounds. It isn't rocket science. My project for this weekend is to make one as an experiment for my Glock 19 magazines just to see how easy it is. I think I can make it out of a piece of hardwood to give the concept a try. The manufacturer's are doubtless hard at it as I type this to protect their dealers. They could have product available within 3 weeks to NY dealers only as long as only injection molded parts are required and the existing springs will work. They can make them a different color to simplify inspection.
The 10 round magazines in pistols like the Browning Buckmark have a long plastic follower to restrict them to 10 rounds now. If that follower were 3 brass longer, it would limit it to 7 rounds.
I read the actual text of the law because I have family living in NYS. I didn't see anything in there that says you have to sell existing compliant 10 round magazines that have been required in NY for years within a year. Period. You can legally just have 7 rounds in them. The bad guys won't, but the good guys will. But then, that's nothing new. Gun laws punish the good guys and help the bad guys.
Buying ammunition is going to be the bigger problem. I might have missed it, but didn't see any language in there about phase in time for the ammo approval process.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” by H. L. Mencken
January 17th, 2013 03:24 PM
Want to have fun, ask the NY LEO how many rounds he has in his magazine. When he tells you 12/15/17 make a citizens arrest, since the law did not grant exemption for police.
Originally Posted by rabbit2011
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January 17th, 2013 03:32 PM
I don't think they should retool I think somebody should got to SCOTUS with the argument that this is an infringment. Based on Keller, 7 round magazines are not common. Therefore, If manufactures make them common well then the State of NY may be able to convince SCOTUS.
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January 17th, 2013 03:36 PM
I'm proposing a 3 smilie face limit on posts starting 1/17/13.
Most of the major makers already do make low cap mags, but 7 is a stupid number no doubt created to make things difficult and pretty much force out modern semi autos. I don't see any of them retooling because of tools in one state.
January 17th, 2013 03:39 PM
Unless I am misreading the obama speech and his executive orders.... THERE ARE NO NEW LAWS!!! And there wont be any because it will never in a million years get through congress.
So this is a moot point at the moment.
Unless we are strictly talking about NY gun laws in which case why would a manufacturer re-tool for the purpose of one states regulations.
The ROI for the manufactures would never make sense.
January 17th, 2013 03:40 PM
Time for trucking companies to start offering good move-out deals to NY state residents.
Move the tax base to where it is appreciated.
The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters.
January 17th, 2013 03:52 PM
In NY, you can have 10 rd mags, but if you get caught with more than 7 loaded, it is a $200 fine and a misdemeanor. Guess what most NYers are gonna do? Fuhghedaboudit! Similar if you get caught with a pre-1994 mag with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, which NYers now have a year to sell out of state.
Real problem is they cannot buy more 10-rd mags. I doubt any maker is going to start producing them, knowing that the law will wind up challenged in court.
Hopefully it will get thrown out - the SCOTUS has used the "in common use" test, and 10+ rd mags are in "common use." So are the so-called "assault weapons" that are now banned in NY.
High-ho, high-ho, it's off to court they go...
The more good folks carry guns, the fewer shots the crazies can get off.
Glock 30, 19, 26; Ruger SP101, LCR, LCP (2), Mini 14; Marlin 336 .30-30; Mossberg 500
January 17th, 2013 04:03 PM
I would be moving... sorry New York, KommieFornia and Makes me ILL Illinois are three states I will never live in.
Originally Posted by rabbit2011
January 17th, 2013 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Mike1956
Originally Posted by varob
None of that will work for those in New York. If you read the law carefully, it plainly states that magazines which can be easily converted back to holding more than 7 rounds are not allowed.
Originally Posted by Fitch
So restrictor devices and the like, or conversion kits, or "dimples stamped into the magazine body" are not legal in New York, if the physical size of the magazine body is large enough to accept more than 7 rounds.
People in New York are just plain screwed. Hopefully any Federal restrictions which may come forward and apply to the rest of the nation will not have that type of specific wording in the law enacted.
The best bet is to keep pressuring Congress not to impose any magazine size restrictions.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
January 17th, 2013 05:13 PM
no different than in '94. Glock just came out with 10 round mags for every gun. Others just added a plug at the bottom of existing mags that made them
only able to hold 10 rounds.
.....from what I'm reading so far, I don't think the whole weapons ban and mag limits are going anywhere in Congress. Its a different environment than in '94.
This time, everyone had four years to prepare for the inevitable time when Obama would try this stunt. With the introduction of concealed carry laws in
every state except Illinois, the country as a whole no longer view firearms as evil, and there is much stronger support for our 2nd Amendment rights than there
was back when Slick Willie muscled his AWB through Congress.
...if anything makes it through Congress, I will be surprised, but will just start carrying my G30SF which is already Obama/Biden approved with a 10 round mag.
Kimbers are the guns you show your friends....Glocks are the ones you show your enemies.
January 23rd, 2013 07:22 AM
Can't tell you how happy I am to have moved back to NY after working in FL for 35 years. Feel like I left the Country. Keep asking how legal and enforceable is this new law.
January 23rd, 2013 07:50 AM
To heck with that... I'd work harder at voting the idiots outta office before I give up the fight. Sooner or later the morons are gonna push the wrong button and the masses will figure out they've been had. If they don't, oh well, c'est la vie.
Originally Posted by RemMod597
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." – Luke 22:36
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson
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