View Poll Results: Universal Background Checks? Good idea? Yes or No
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YES...we need it to make sure that only the right people can buy guns
NO...bad idea, just another step to eventual confiscation
Not sure...havent figured it out yet.
Dont Care...I'm not a crook, so it dosen't affect me.
January 17th, 2013 03:17 AM
In favor of universal background checks? Ummm... That would be a NO!
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
January 17th, 2013 06:47 AM
After reading all the replies and deciding that the cons certainly outweigh the pros, and knowing just how manipulitave our government can be. I decided I'd rather not be apart of such a scheme. So, it's a NO for me as well. I originally thought it wouldn't be such a bad thing to close the Gun Show loophole, but it should have been more obvious to me that government would always expand that law to further infring upon other areas of our second amendment rights. So, for the record. GBK says NO!
Update: I even deleted my original thoughts on the subject from the other thread I participated in.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:36
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson
January 17th, 2013 12:55 PM
You know.....you can delete them, but you can't Unthink what has been Thought.
January 17th, 2013 02:18 PM
I came here to say exactly this...
Originally Posted by BugDude
Criminals could care less about background checks... Universal background checks only infringe upon lawful access to arms.
If a bully is stealing lunch money on the playground, should we check student ID to purchase lunch tickets?
January 17th, 2013 02:24 PM
Uh oh I think BugDude was talking about me at least the first two parts.
Originally Posted by BugDude
"As a strong supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights, I believe tougher enforcement of our nation's existing gun laws must be done before any more laws are enacted and put on the books."
January 17th, 2013 02:29 PM
Absolutely not in our interests to have "effective" criminals out there. I'm absolutely for lawful and effective steps to keep violent criminals away from citizens.
Originally Posted by From the poll
But NOT at the expense of unlawful, unconstitutional breaches of liberty of citizens.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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January 17th, 2013 02:53 PM
Don't we already have this topic running with 12 pages of responses Who Disagrees with universal background checks?
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January 17th, 2013 03:03 PM
In NC, even to do a person to person sale, you are still required to have a pistol purchase permit (PPP). The individual wanting to purchase a weapon, even from an FFL, must first get a PPP from the Sheriff’s office. This entails a background check and cost $5 (last I checked). With this PPP, FFLs are allowed to sell you a weapon. If you have a concealed carry permit, you are exempt from needing a PPP and you permit is used instead of a PPP. Your permit is renewed every 5 years or revoked if required. A mental health background check is also conducted for the concealed carry permit. I don’t know if they do that one for a PPP. No weapons information is tranfered other than the paperwork the FFL does. The PPP only is for the person, not the gun. There is a way to skin a cat.
Equality does not exist in the real world - it is a fiction to help the self esteem of those people who consistently fail to succeed.
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January 17th, 2013 03:06 PM
Yeah I haven't figured that out either
Originally Posted by buckeye .45
You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.
― Robert A. Heinlein,
January 17th, 2013 04:34 PM
No......I understand some concerns like BelaOkmyx's:
...however, TODAY you can go to a FFL dealer of your choice if you wish to sell a gun privately between individuals! If you're worried that you want to protect yourself in case the buyer does something illegal...then by all means pursue it. It isn't free & even if or when the government requires it...IT WON'T BE FREE! If you suspect the purchaser is a potential criminal...then shame on you for selling it to him. BUT DON'T force the rest of us, just because "All my firearms I bought from a FFL". A lot of people get them from friends & relatives.
Originally Posted by BelaOkmyx
I to have made most purchases thru FFLs (not all, but a majority)...& since I live in Virginia the NICS check is done by the FFL. However, in all my purchase thru an FFL for the last 7-8 years...every check has been delayed. This has caused me to not make some purchases or to have to wait for days while the 'instant check' gets finished. Can you imagine the backlog if EVERY firearm transaction has to be signed off by by some government bureaucrat working for a government that doesn't want you to own a firearm to begin with?
I'll give you a couple of examples of why this would be ridiculous to require a FFL to be involved in all transactions: Years ago I gave my father-in-law a firearm that he wanted. I bought it & gifted it to him. A couple of years ago when he died, my mother-in-law gave it back to me. Under a scheme that requires a FFL to be involved, I would have paid for & been 'checked' THREE times instead of just ONCE during original purchase. I have also done the same for my father, daughter, son-in-law & nephews....not to mention my wife. I give a lot of firearms as gifts.
If I want to sell or give a firearm to someone I know, I don't want to have to go through any additional costs or the chance of registration by the government.
I also want to be able to leave firearms for relatives in my will. I don't want them to go through a FFL to be given my personal property....It's bad enough the government is going to get part of my estate thru 'death duty' taxes....I darn sure don't want them getting their grubby mitts on firearms that I have been collecting all of my adult life as well.
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January 17th, 2013 04:38 PM
January 17th, 2013 04:44 PM
How about we do a background check on all the politicians that are in favor of Gun Control first.. Fast and Furious ring any bells?
January 17th, 2013 04:51 PM
I've sold a few guns before. Unless I personally know you very well, or are immediate family, I am going to go through a FFL and you are going to have to pass a NICS check. I think selling a gun person-to-person to someone who you do not know very well is irresponsible without a NICS check.
The new crazy law in NY does exempt immediate family from the NICS requirement, defined as spouses, children, and step children. I would like to see that definition expanded - include grandparents, for example, and grandchildren.
I did not vote because there is no option for "yes except for family."
Last edited by 10thmtn; January 17th, 2013 at 04:55 PM.
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January 17th, 2013 05:01 PM
The number Pres. Obama gave at the recent press conference of purchases stopped by FBI background checks (1.5 million?)...and the assertion that these denials prevented a huge number of crimes...is very misleading.
In an interview yesterday, John Lott noted that more than 99% of these denials were later reversed ('false positives caused by confusion over names, birthdates, etc. in the FBI data base).
Are background checks ever effective? I'm sure they've prevented some BGs from trying to buy over the counter.
But the rheteric is always over-the-top and misleading at best.
If you can't trust them now...why would you trust them about anything concerning new laws, registration, etc.?
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January 17th, 2013 05:03 PM
Nope - "not one more inch"
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