"Universal" Background Checks...For or Against?

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    "Universal" Background Checks...For or Against?

    Your President wants everyone to undergo what socialists,communists,marxists and the unenlightened among us call a "Universal Background Check". He says that "polls" show that most Americans favor it so it must be so, even though I know of no one that has been polled.

    The question is, how many gun owners are for it?

    What it means is that private sales or transactions of guns will be illegal...unless they go through an FFL. Of course, the FFL will charge a transfer fee that could be as little as 25 bucks or as high as 100 bucks...adding to the cost of the gun.
    That means that if you want to give your son,daughter,grandaughter,grandson,your best friend, or whoever that you must first pass the background check and pay a fee to do it.

    Many gun owners, myself included, see it as one more step toward the eventual confiscation of guns.

    Other gun owners see it as something that is good,thinking that the criminals that they are trying to keep guns from, will actually obey this law,even when they disregard most others.

    Just so we know, where do you stand on the issue?
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    I've never spent much time in most parts of the universe so I'm not sure. Guess I'd have to say "no". Lets just keep it here on earth.
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    Simple answer, NO.
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    Here is what I would be ok with.

    Hotguns, lets say I wanted to buy a gun from you. Instead of you just selling it to me I would be ok with driving to my local FFL and passing a background check provided THERE ARE NO FEES TO ME.

    If the government wants to set it up so that I have to drive to my local PD and take a background test that is fine with me but I will not register my guns.

    Universal background checks are fine provided there is no cost to myself and no registration. I don't see the government caring about that though.

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    My question, how can you possibly regulate private transfers and require universal background checks without first requiring registration?
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    His poll was taken by ACORN using a list of subscribers of Moveon.org and readers of the Huff Post, with the results audited by the DemocratUnderground.

    Otherwise, it's a complete crock and just another step towards registration and confiscation. Furthermore, it is not going to do a darn thing. Criminals don't do NICS now, they won't after Universal NICS. Duh. It is merely "Security Theater". Reactive, not proactive, and perhaps the most damning, the government will start accumulating more data. It won't do a darn thing.

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    Re: "Universal" Background Checks...For or Against?

    No.

    I do favor what the NRA is promulgating... More states reporting what should be reported to NICS.

    I shoulda got my FFL, would have been a lot of money to be made, both in the recent past, and perhaps in the near future. The latter may not require any inventory at all, just a computer and a telephone, maybe some form pads.

    Just what this country needs. More bureaucrazy!
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    I'm not for the gun registration.I have nothing to hide,but,it's none of their business.So far as myself,if it doesn't cost me anything,i don't care one way,or the other,so far,as the background checks.

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    Hotguns, lets say I wanted to buy a gun from you. Instead of you just selling it to me I would be ok with driving to my local FFL and passing a background check provided THERE ARE NO FEES TO ME
    Let me address this from the angle of an FFL since I am one.


    What makes you think that I am going to devote 15-20 minutes of my day to you for FREE ?

    It's a "transfer". Since I already charge 25 bucks for a transfer if you buy one off of the internet and have it sent to me, why do you feel that you should not pay?

    Universal background checks are fine provided there is no cost to myself and no registration. I don't see the government caring about that though
    You cant have your cake and eat it too. The government would be tickled pink if cost you 500 bucks a transfer.


    The way I see it, if you aren't smart enough to figure out that this is just another scheme, then you deserve to pay through the nose for every single transaction from here on out. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it. No more private sales. No more gifts. No more selling to your hunting buddy...without paying what an FFL asks for because if you dont, then guess what? The government just labeled you a criminal.
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    The gangbanger illegally selling a stolen gun out of the trunk of his stolen car to another criminal gangbanger will not bother to run a background check using his nifty backgroundcheck app on his stolen iPhone before he grabs the stolen cash from his illegal customer. So NO, I do not support something that only infringes on me, the law-abiding citizen, and does nothing to impact actual criminal behavior.
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    Make the penalties stiff with high minimums for ANY crime involving a firearm.
    The answer is not Universal back ground/ bad guy checks.
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    Re: "Universal" Background Checks...For or Against?

    I vote against because of the slippery slope issues.

    I can already get free transfers through CCA since I'm a supporting member of the Iowa Firearms Coalition http://www.controlledchaosarms.com/.
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    Hotguns,i read your post.Heck,that sounds about the going rate where i'm at.It's been a while,i think i payed 20.00,a couple of yrs. ago.Someone is purchasing a gun,from another store,then expects to send it to me,for no charge? Probably not gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Let me adress this from the angle of an FFL since I am one.


    What makes you think that I am going to devote 15-20 minutes of my day to you for FREE ?

    It's a "transfer". Since I already charge 25 bucks for a transfer if you buy one off of the internet and have it sent to me, why do you feel that you should not pay?



    You cant have your cake and eat it too. The government would be tickled pink if cost you 500 bucks a transfer.


    The way I see it, if you aren't smart enough to figure out that this is just another scheme, then you deserve to pay through the nose for every single transaction from here on out. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it. No more private sales. No more gifts. No more selling to your hunting buddy...without paying what an FFL asks for because if you dont, then guess what? The government just labeled you a criminal.
    Relax Francis. I completely understand what you are saying. I'm not suggesting the FFL should absorb the cost. That's why I went on to say the police station provided the government covers any cost associated.

    I then explained how I would not register my guns and I also stated the government obviously does not have our best intentions at heart.

    I'm not an idiot, I realize what their ultimate goal is. All I'm saying is that I don't have a problem taking a background check in order to buy a firearm so long as there isn't an additional expense or registration.

    Obviously, the government would never set it up this way so I likely wouldn't support any such legislation.

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    No. No more government intrusion. No more of this premise of guilty until proven innocent.
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