Shocked at LGS Today
This is a discussion on Shocked at LGS Today within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by paynetrain1988
Socialist!! I spent darn near 4 years in the sand box defending Democracy and our free market economy. All I'm saying ...
February 3rd, 2013 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by paynetrain1988
Thank you for your service. I spent 21.
If you support the free market economy, then quit whining when demand outstrips supply and prices go up. Just don't buy their product.....again one of the basic tenents of a free market.
Are you going to stay with the same dealers when their prices are higher than the other guys?
Would you even be posting here and complaining if the LGS had so much ammo they could barely give it away at deep discounts and taking losses?
February 3rd, 2013 06:04 AM
That's the cry you will hear more and more.
I wish I would have stocked up more...
Remembering the last AWB, every time I saw a Glock mag and had extra money, I picked one up. I have around 50 now and have had friends begging me to sell them a few. But no one wants to buy at the price it would cost me to resupply.
I also have a few thousand 9mm round since it is my primary caliber. We need to be forward thinking instead of thinking that there will always be guns, ammo, and food on the shelves.
What are you reloaders going to do when the supply of primers runs low (if it hasn't already)? According to an article I read yesterday, primers and powder are going to loaded ammo first, so it's just a matter of time before there are threads here lamenting the primer shortage.
Remember, you would not see DMPS rifles priced at $2500 and Glock mags at $70+ if people weren't buying them at that price.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.
And all this is before anything Federal has been passed. Only threatened.
RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...
It will only get worse if anything actually becomes law.
Last edited by ScottM; February 3rd, 2013 at 07:34 AM.
February 3rd, 2013 08:16 AM
It's not just your LGS, Armslist and all of the others are no better........
A couple weeks ago I cleaned out our safe and came up with about 2,000 rounds of new, boxed 9MM ammo that we do not need right at the moment.
Our shooting calibers have changed a bit so I figure we could wait out the shortage and offer up some for trade.
I posted locally that we had up to 2,000 various rounds available for trade for your unwanted hand gun.
As this lot consists of different brands I figure that we have maybe an average of about $14-$15.00 per box in it.
My wanted list was pretty open, ranging from NAA mini revolvers to Derringers and even Heritage .22 revolvers.
Certainly nothing collectable or hard to find.
I said describe your gun, put a value on it and divide by 15 and that will tell you how many boxes of new, boxed 9MM ammo we will give you for your gun. $300.00 gun, 20 boxes ammo. Simple.
I got zero reasonable offers.
Those I got back were offers of $13.00 per box and used guns priced well over current LGS new prices!
Honestly I am now glad it did not work out. I seriously doubt we will see ammo prices (or supply) return to "normal" anytime soon.
With the amount of guns sold and new owners looking to stock up it will be a long time before shelves are full.
It is really bad here in Illinois as the state has been ordered to finally allow concealed carry here by June.
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February 3rd, 2013 08:37 AM
A lot of folks LOVE bashing WalMart but I have to say, throughout this entire shortage, they have kept their pricing on ammo and guns at pre Sandy Hook levels... At least in this area. I picked up 3 50 count boxes of Federal 9mm yesterday for $13.97 ea. and jealously watched the customer in front of me buy the only remaining Remington 870 Express Tactical for $378.00. Still though, availability of guns/ammo is very spotty at best.
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February 3rd, 2013 08:37 AM
February 3rd, 2013 08:41 AM
at those prices, I'll let someone else buy them.
February 3rd, 2013 08:42 AM
Some say that the pricing is supply and demand but I have to disagree. It is only supply and demand in the crudest sense, not in the true capitalist sense. Supply and demand assumes that neither the supplier, nor the consumer has sufficient power to exert price controls. In other words, it only holds when there is perfect competition and equivalent, indistinguishable products. This is an aberrant market being influenced by external forces rather than the supply and production costs that are preventing the market from being able to achieve equilibrium.
February 3rd, 2013 08:43 AM
I went ammo shopping yesterday for an upcoming training class, and due to the supply shortages wanted to get a jump on finding a good amount of .40S&W range ammo. I found a huge supply of Federal, PMC, and Estate fmj range ammo at the retail store of a large online retailer at $22 per box of 50. Definitely more expensive than in the past, but not crazy expensive like some other reports.
Of course, that doesn't apply to 30 rd AK magazines. I used to buy them there all day long for less than $15, and saw them priced at $59. Luckily I'm not needing replacement mags. Ouch.
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February 3rd, 2013 09:44 AM
I agree with those who are passing on buying firearms/ammo at 3X former price. Unless you are rich or desperate, I can't see why anyone would be paying those prices. If we win this particular battle, that $3,000 AR that you just bought could be worth $1200 again by late summer. But don't blame your LGS for the current prices. Remember, they had to buy them too, before they put them on the shelf for you.
I'm still managing to support my LGS's and distributors by upgrading my favorite guns. They're all getting nice grips and sights, and I'll probably pick up a compound bow (I'm an archery noob, but have found it to be crazy fun).
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February 3rd, 2013 09:50 AM
If you look at the link I posted, along with other articles on the gun industry, there is a problem with the manufacturers getting raw materials to produce both guns and ammunition. Not to mention having to ramp up production to try to meet a 1 year + backlog already on most items.
...rather than the supply and production costs that are preventing the market from being able to achieve equilibrium.
February 3rd, 2013 10:03 AM
One of the main principals of capitalism is that you, the consumer, gets to vote with your wallet. As long as a store can sell its ammo for $1 a round, that's what it will sell for. When stores can no longer find customers at $1 a round, the price will go down. So ... if you don't like the price, then don't buy it.
February 3rd, 2013 10:18 AM
I have found a lot of competition , i.e. lower prices, in accessories in my LGS. Now is the time to trick out my firearms.
February 3rd, 2013 11:30 AM
So, go back Monday, and see if they were sold. If not, the "Market" said "No", if they are gone, they found a chump.
They had 8 evil black rifle including a Colt LE6920 which has a MSRP of around $1080.00 for $3000.00! Asked about some FMJ 9mm for the range.....They have some cheap PMC for $49.99 box of 50!
That easy. Market Econ 101.
February 3rd, 2013 11:47 AM
Had dinner last night with the owner of my LGS (long time friend). He's not restocking ARs because of the astronomical prices from the distributors. He said that he doesn't want to buy a $2,000 AR & then have the bottom fall out of the market next month.
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February 3rd, 2013 12:17 PM
I've made it a point to tell them that when I'm on my way out! I started going to another store somewhat local to me that I've also considered my "backup" he's SLIGHTLY higher priced than others, but not playing into all the price drama so for that he's my new place.
Originally Posted by paynetrain1988
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