The New Arms Race

The New Arms Race

This is a discussion on The New Arms Race within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I'm not talking about Russia, China, N. Korea, I mean against each other. I'm DONE. Long before this happened in December I was prepping for ...

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    The New Arms Race

    I'm not talking about Russia, China, N. Korea, I mean against each other. I'm DONE. Long before this happened in December I was prepping for this sort of thing. I mean enough for all my guns just so I could go target shooting on some weekends and have enough for self defense and SHTF scenario. To be honest I have much more than I can carry if need be.

    I just actually liked walking into a LGS or Walmart, or Bass Pro and just looking around. I maybe might even buy a box of this or that BUT NOT THE WHOLE DAMN SHELF like I see now. Ive heard you guys talk, Ive heard you plan and scheme, and then retailers got into it. When I saw this yesterday, I said that's it.

    .22 LR Armscor Solid Point 40 Grain 500 Round Brick Standard Velocity 1135 fps $0.30/rd [$149.79] and we all know this on line retailer

    The same thing is going on here locally, most of it to each other . So effective immediately Choke on it . Yes I know its a free market but enough is enough. I just wont shoot as much or stop til this crap stops . Im not talking about me trading you for this or that, or getting rid of a box here and there.

    Guys with ads- 1000 rounds .....Cash, don't bother calling me . Let me know how that's working for ya in a few months Jackass

    Sorry about the rant .....
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    Ya I just saw 22lr for $92.50 a brick on one online retailer. Talk about price gouging. Ill wait it out this is highway robbery at best. Supply and demand is gettin outta hand. And I demand this madness stop.

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    I just paid 25 for a brick last week, guess I should have bought more
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    I cant even find .22 ammo around here anymore.

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    Where is it all going? Is it the manufacturers? If retailers can't even get, where is it? I would think that the manufactures would be shipping out the same amount as before, but retailers are getting them in as much as before.

    Forgive me for my tinhat moment, but is something more sinister going on with supply and demand?
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    This is just my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

    Manufactures met supply and demand on .22 ammo before the scare and had reserves, not a lot but enough to cover themselves. When all this struck they were bled dry quickly and the reserves were depleted. I have noticed lately on gunbroker and other sites lots of 5-10,000 rounds of .22 never noticed that before so it is out there folks are simply making as much money as they can while they can this includes bit retailers and some gun shops. Then add those who scarf up anything they can find for resale it is all gone.

    For my local shop a good day was $10,000 in sales. The day after the speech/scare started they sold $58,000 in guns and ammo in one day and that was at regular prices. Over the following weeks it continued until there stock was depleted. When I last talked to them the only handguns they had left were single action revolvers and some high end 1911's.

    So far I have not really had an issue finding ammo online or from smaller shops who did not raise there prices all that much. Obviously the bigger quantity you buy the cheaper it is. As I have stated before we are our own worst enemy. Supply and demand became the battle cry for many including non gun owners. People who have never owned a gun bought ammo from Wal Mart or wherever simply to resell. The chance at a quick buck overcame morals and ethics.
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    AT-TI-CA!!! AT-TI-CA!!! AT-TI-CA!!!

    Seriously though...I dig your rant. And I agree. It's a disgrace, and i'm going to wait it out while all the knuckleheads pay 5x what they should be for ammo. I'm not ashamed to say that I have been using airsoft / bb guns

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    I hear what you are saying. I too have had it with this bull,and will not contribute to this unrealistic price hacking we have seen lately. I walk into fleet farm every other day and see guys just staring at the empty shelves,shaking their heads. no 22 ammo at all here,and why? I refuse to spend a dime until this stupidity has ended.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesewiz View Post
    I'm not talking about Russia, China, N. Korea, I mean against each other. I'm DONE. Long before this happened in December I was prepping for this sort of thing. I mean enough for all my guns just so I could go target shooting on some weekends and have enough for self defense and SHTF scenario. To be honest I have much more than I can carry if need be.

    I just actually liked walking into a LGS or Walmart, or Bass Pro and just looking around. I maybe might even buy a box of this or that BUT NOT THE WHOLE DAMN SHELF like I see now. Ive heard you guys talk, Ive heard you plan and scheme, and then retailers got into it. When I saw this yesterday, I said that's it.

    .22 LR Armscor Solid Point 40 Grain 500 Round Brick Standard Velocity 1135 fps $0.30/rd [$149.79] and we all know this on line retailer

    The same thing is going on here locally, most of it to each other . So effective immediately Choke on it . Yes I know its a free market but enough is enough. I just wont shoot as much or stop til this crap stops . Im not talking about me trading you for this or that, or getting rid of a box here and there.

    Guys with ads- 1000 rounds .....Cash, don't bother calling me . Let me know how that's working for ya in a few months Jackass

    Sorry about the rant .....

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    I can get 22 ammo cheap. I dont buy much maybe 100 rounds for the Marlin every month or so just to have .

    I understand most everyone that will own any sort of gun will have at least some sort of 22 around maybe the only gun they own. What I dont understand is the big run on 22 lr. You can kill big animals with it if you know what your doing but its hardly the go to round for it. And I cant see that run for SD on that round. Cant imagine anybody spending that sort of money to shoot tin cans
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    I'm good. I can stand pat for quite a long while and not worry.

    My armory is in very good shape.

    BUT - I saw a Sig 1911 Nightmare that I'd really like to have.
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    Went to my range Friday, and was surprised to find everything from .223 to 9mm and .40. They were even selling it to carry out the door again. On the shelves was a brand new XDSC9mm, XDs45, a ton of AR's and a couple AK's.

    In all honesty, I think drought is gone, but just like first rains, they it evaporates before it hitst he ground, so we gotta wait a while before we actually get puddles. Interpretation - there's so much backlog of orders and whatnot, I think it's going to take a while to see store shelves filling up again, but the time of little to no ammo anywhere is over I think . . . as long as the weapons ban doesn't go through. If it does, there'll be a whole new run.

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    This takes the cake ....just saw this locally ...it's gone too far ! Just ridicules

    17,325 rounds of ammo total for sale. Must buy all, will not seperate. This ad is for the whole lot of ammo. Please email me your bid. Will accept bids for 48 hours. I will notify the highest bidder by Saturday April 6th by 6:30 pm. Thank you

    2,020- 7.62x39
    1,860 Tulammo
    160 Russian military

    1,125- 40 S&W
    700 Winchester 40 S&W 165 grain fmj
    200 winchester 40 S&W 180 grain fmj
    50 Tulammo
    150 PPU 40 S&W 180 grain jhp
    25 Remington golden saber 40S&W jhp

    2,200- 9mm
    1,700 Federal 9 mm 115 grain fmj
    150 Remington UMC 115 grain fmj
    250 Blazer brass cased 115 grain fmj
    100 Remington UMC 9mm 115 grain jhp

    11,547- 22 l.r.
    3,330 Winchester 36 grn. Copper h.p.
    4,050 Remington golden bullet 36 grn. HP
    217 Federal 36 grn. Copper h.p
    200 CCI velocitor copper h.p
    650 Winchester 37 grn. Copper h.p
    100 Winchester super speed 37 Grn. Copper
    2,000 Winchester m*22 40 grn. Copper
    1,000 Aguila 30 Grn. Copper hyper velocity

    130- 308
    40 Hornady custom 150 grn. Sst
    80 Hornady match 168 Gran. Bthp Molly
    10 armour piercing rounds

    66- 300 win. Mag.
    40 Winchester 150 grn. Power point
    20 Winchester 180 grn. Power point
    6 Remington core-lokt 150 grn. PSP

    54- 30-30
    40 Winchester 150 Gran. Power point
    14 Remington core-lokt 170 grn. Sp.

    50- 45 cal. Remington 230 Grn. H.p.

    132- 12 gauge shells
    40 Winchester xpert steel shot high brass
    17 Winchester lead shot low brass
    75 Federal low brass target load

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    I TOTALLY agree!

    I'm out until these rifle panickers realize they have $2000 of black plastic in their closet that hey have never shot. I hope there are people with 50lbs of lead and brass taking up shelf space. I hope they don't store it as..."discretely" from their wife as I do. I'm waiting for heir wives to say GET RID OF THAT JUNK!

    It may take 6 months. I'm thinking more like 3 years. I've been shooting longer than that. I'll be shooting well after people come to their senses. My only concern is related to the gasoline price madness. We have been desensitized to $4.00 gas. $3.50 seems like a deal now. There is no reason for gas to be over $2.00/gallon. There is no reason for 9mm FMJ to be over $0.20 per round. Those days are long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesewiz View Post
    17,325 rounds of ammo total for sale. Must buy all, will not seperate. This ad is for the whole lot of ammo. Please email me your bid. Will accept bids for 48 hours. I will notify the highest bidder by Saturday April 6th by 6:30 pm. Thank you

    2,020- 7.62x39
    1,860 Tulammo
    160 Russian military

    1,125- 40 S&W
    700 Winchester 40 S&W 165 grain fmj
    200 winchester 40 S&W 180 grain fmj
    50 Tulammo
    150 PPU 40 S&W 180 grain jhp
    25 Remington golden saber 40S&W jhp

    2,200- 9mm
    1,700 Federal 9 mm 115 grain fmj
    150 Remington UMC 115 grain fmj
    250 Blazer brass cased 115 grain fmj
    100 Remington UMC 9mm 115 grain jhp

    11,547- 22 l.r.
    3,330 Winchester 36 grn. Copper h.p.
    4,050 Remington golden bullet 36 grn. HP
    217 Federal 36 grn. Copper h.p
    200 CCI velocitor copper h.p
    650 Winchester 37 grn. Copper h.p
    100 Winchester super speed 37 Grn. Copper
    2,000 Winchester m*22 40 grn. Copper
    1,000 Aguila 30 Grn. Copper hyper velocity

    130- 308
    40 Hornady custom 150 grn. Sst
    80 Hornady match 168 Gran. Bthp Molly
    10 armour piercing rounds

    66- 300 win. Mag.
    40 Winchester 150 grn. Power point
    20 Winchester 180 grn. Power point
    6 Remington core-lokt 150 grn. PSP

    54- 30-30
    40 Winchester 150 Gran. Power point
    14 Remington core-lokt 170 grn. Sp.

    50- 45 cal. Remington 230 Grn. H.p.

    132- 12 gauge shells
    40 Winchester xpert steel shot high brass
    17 Winchester lead shot low brass
    75 Federal low brass target load
    $866.25 going once . . . . going twice . . . . . . sold

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    It is a bubble, pure and simple and it will collapse just like the housing market did here in the south. Just be patient and watch.

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