I have one of those "Duh Me" questions......

I have one of those "Duh Me" questions......

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    I have one of those "Duh Me" questions......

    I watched this video.......
    Gun Control Boone County IN Sheriff Ken Campbell on ABSURDITY of banning high capacity magazines - YouTube

    It shows someone shooting 2 15 round magazines, 3 10 round magazines, and 5 6 round magazines... My question is why doesn't the slide "lock" open after each magazine is emptied and changed yet when the last magazine is emptied it "locks" open? What am I missing???
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    Well, if he is changing mags with one left in the chamber, it isn't time for the slide to lock just yet.
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    I don't think they were shooting the magazinzes dry just counting the shots then switching mags.

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    Depends on the individual gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzadik View Post
    I don't think they were shooting the magazinzes dry just counting the shots then switching mags.
    Correct... in accordance with what they've probably been taught, i.e., don't shoot the gun dry.
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    I counted the shots in each sequence. Using the handgun with the 5-6 round magazine as the example. He fired 5 rounds from the 1st magazine, 6 rounds from magazine 2-4 and 7 rounds from magazine 5 for a total of 30 rounds. The gun was only empty after the last magazine. In other words he fudged the demonstration. To get a true picture of the time, you would have to add time for hitting the slide release, or fire each magazine dry, thus requiring hitting the slide release.

    Same was true for the demonstration of the person rushing the shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I counted the shots in each sequence. Using the handgun with the 5-6 round magazine as the example. He fired 5 rounds from the 1st magazine, 6 rounds from magazine 2-4 and 7 rounds from magazine 5 for a total of 30 rounds. The gun was only empty after the last magazine. In other words he fudged the demonstration. To get a true picture of the time, you would have to add time for hitting the slide release, or fire each magazine dry, thus requiring hitting the slide release.

    Same was true for the demonstration of the person rushing the shooter.
    Wouldn't that be consistent with leaving the last one in the pipe when the mag is empty, dropping the mag and inserting a new mag? For mag 1 he fires 5, leaving 1 in the pipe. For mags 2-4 he fires 6, but each time the gun starts with 6+1. So the last mag he fires all 7 to empty and lock the slide.

    I don't think the demonstration is fudged - if you have a disciplined shooter, heck bent on killing people, it doesn't much matter if you have 17 round mags, 10 round mags, or 7 round mags. Would a shooter be that disciplined? Well who knows. But the demonstration does illustrate the folly of mag limits.
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    I guess you could call it fudging. The training is combat reloading. Given the right circumstances going between floors or buildings you may have 5 or six rounds left in a magazine but switch out anyway so you start the new location with a fresh load out.

    When you look at videos of true experts you can see the changing of a magazine adds very little to the time of a fight. If you wait for the shooter to stop shooting and try to rush him during a reload if he is good you find yourself dead from the remaining round in the chamber while reloading.

    We are talking the difference of killing a pedestrian with a cadillac or a volkswagon. Dead is dead. People are frustrated because you can't stop crazy or a person who is sane but willing to give their life for a cause. They fool themselves into believing they are doing something by passing laws. The truth is the only person that can bring an end to a shooting is another person with a gun. Nobody will admit the sheep dog is the only one willing to die for the flock not the ram not the wolf not the ewe only the sheep dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I counted the shots in each sequence. Using the handgun with the 5-6 round magazine as the example. He fired 5 rounds from the 1st magazine, 6 rounds from magazine 2-4 and 7 rounds from magazine 5 for a total of 30 rounds. The gun was only empty after the last magazine. In other words he fudged the demonstration. To get a true picture of the time, you would have to add time for hitting the slide release, or fire each magazine dry, thus requiring hitting the slide release.

    Same was true for the demonstration of the person rushing the shooter.
    There was no 'fudging'. Remember, they only achieved slide lock at the end of the last magazine in each of the shoots. That means they were dropping empty magazines after the final round was chambered. The first round shot after each magazine change was the last round from the prior magazine.

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