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    Really REALLY dumb question...

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    Are there model years for guns like there are for cars? Is there a difference between a m&p 9c made in say 2011 vs one made in 2013? If so how do I know I'm getting the most current model when I buy the gun? Do I ask the dealer "what year is this?"? The reason I ask is because I've been on a waiting list for my m&p 9c for about 3 months now and the dealer called me to let me know that my gun is coming in this week and I want to know if its coming straight from s&w or if they picked it up from a police auction or what have you. I don't doubt that it'll be new (never fired) but id like to think that after waiting so long it's at least the most current model!

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    This is not a stupid question at all. Sometimes there are small changes to the model throughout the years with the overall appearance staying the same. Lucky for you, Smith and Wesson provides a small envelope with a spent shell casing packaged with their new pistols. That little envelope has a test fire date and that can tell you when it was manufactured. Go out and get yourself a brand spanking new one. Just ask your dealer to grab the box and tell you the test fire date.
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    It is as the previous poster said. What you have to be careful of is buying a gun with a cheaper price than others are selling it for. You can end up getting what is called new old stock. That are guns made many years ago but are still NIB. As previously explained, the gun will not have all the latest bug fixes and improvements. I bought a gun last year that was $50 cheaper than any place else and it was dated 2003. It did not have the fixes for some known problems and I had to send it back to the manufacturer and wait almost 2 months to get it back. Never again. Beware of places that sell cheaper than all the other online store.
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    What you are looking for are serial nos. and model dash numbers or series number within the SN. Serial numbers can give you the year, and sometimes month, of mnfr. Dash number (or series within SN) can tell you about minor/major changes.

    Example: Smith & Wesson Model 60 dash history (you need the SN to date the gun, though):

    60 - introduced in 1965
    60-1 (1972) 3 in square butt limited production
    60-2 (1987) DAO NYPD?
    60-3 (1988) New yoke retention system
    60-4 (1990) 3 in target sights full underlug barrel
    60-5 (1990) DAO for NYPD with new yoke retention
    60-6 (1989) Ladysmith version
    60-7 (1990) front sight 1/8 inch wide, new heat treatment
    60-8 (1990) same as 60-7 for NYPD
    60-9 (1996) change to J magnum frame
    60-10 (1996) Target variation on J magnum frame
    60-11 (1996) New frame design for 38 Special version only
    60-12 (1996) new frame nose cut
    60-13 (1996) same as 60-12 but target version
    60-14 (2001) Ladysmith with internal lock
    60-15 (2001) internal lock on 357 mag target version
    60-16 (2001) internal lock on 38 Special 2 in
    60-17 (2001) internal lock on 38 Special 3 inch target
    60-18 (2005) internal lock 357 Mag 5 inch target 2 pc barrel

    Edit: Not a dumb question, btw. If you are looking for a firearm, you should know the platform's model history. Also there are other ways this is done - Glock has Gen nos., I think, but I don't have a clue what they mean. I'm not a Glocker.
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    The new mp9c seem to be coming with the new trigger (from the Shield). I've handled both with and without. If it has a crisp, short reset, you can be sure it's the newest. Now, if it doesn't...that doesn't ecessarily mean its old. I just don't know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus8419 View Post
    Feel free to laugh at this question:

    Are there model years for guns like there are for cars? Is there a difference between a m&p 9c made in say 2011 vs one made in 2013? If so how do I know I'm getting the most current model when I buy the gun? Do I ask the dealer "what year is this?"? The reason I ask is because I've been on a waiting list for my m&p 9c for about 3 months now and the dealer called me to let me know that my gun is coming in this week and I want to know if its coming straight from s&w or if they picked it up from a police auction or what have you. I don't doubt that it'll be new (never fired) but id like to think that after waiting so long it's at least the most current model!
    Well it's not the same with cars in the sense that you're not going to go up to the counter at the gun store and say "Can I get a 2013 M&P?" But it is similar as others have said that there are changes made to the gun as time goes on to fix any bugs they have with the model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus8419 View Post
    Feel free to laugh at this question:

    Are there model years for guns like there are for cars? Is there a difference between a m&p 9c made in say 2011 vs one made in 2013? If so how do I know I'm getting the most current model when I buy the gun? Do I ask the dealer "what year is this?"? The reason I ask is because I've been on a waiting list for my m&p 9c for about 3 months now and the dealer called me to let me know that my gun is coming in this week and I want to know if its coming straight from s&w or if they picked it up from a police auction or what have you. I don't doubt that it'll be new (never fired) but id like to think that after waiting so long it's at least the most current model!
    That's not a stupid question at all. When a NIB Bersa is purchased, it tells you when it was test fired in factory. Most likely, if your dealer calls you while you're on a waiting list for a new gun, it will be a NIB straight from distributor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus8419 View Post
    Feel free to laugh at this question:

    Are there model years for guns like there are for cars? Is there a difference between a m&p 9c made in say 2011 vs one made in 2013? If so how do I know I'm getting the most current model when I buy the gun? Do I ask the dealer "what year is this?"? The reason I ask is because I've been on a waiting list for my m&p 9c for about 3 months now and the dealer called me to let me know that my gun is coming in this week and I want to know if its coming straight from s&w or if they picked it up from a police auction or what have you. I don't doubt that it'll be new (never fired) but id like to think that after waiting so long it's at least the most current model!
    That's not a stupid question at all. When a NIB Bersa is purchased, it tells you when it was test fired in factory. Most likely, if your dealer calls you while you're on a waiting list for a new gun, it will be a NIB straight from distributor.
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    Thanks for the help and quick responses!

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    Also.. you can check the serial number ... with the Co... and they can give you the date.
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    My brother has a 2007 manufactured M&P .40. I have a 2012 manufactured M&P .40. You can tell by the serial numbers. You can check with S&W, read threads about serial # dating or check the envelope that comes with the gun. The only real revision between the '07 and '12 M&P models is they changed the material and method of manufacturing the striker. I think the older strikers were metal injection molded (MIM) and black colored. The newer ones (silver colored) are machined and supposed to be stronger. The finish on my M&P was a little nicer as well. Earlier M&P finishes weren't as nice.

    The newest revision is to the frame and sear block. The trigger feels more like the M&P Shield and the newest frames have a plug near the slide that allows the installation of a manual safety at the factory. ALL new M&P 9/40s whether with or without manual safeties have identical frames now.

    If you're really on a wait list, I'm 99% sure your gun will be factory fresh and the newest revision. Like cars, a dealer can't (ethically) sell a gun as new if it has been previously owned or fired. M&Ps are worth the wait.

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    Thanks! I'll look into the serial # dating.

    I'm fairly certain it'll be factory fresh also, this dealer has a really good reputation so I do trust them. I was just wondering how to ask without sounding like an idiot lol. I appreciate all the responses!

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    From the Smith & Wesson M&P Pistol Forum:

    "I looked around and found out how to know the manufactured date....On your box you will have the SKU number, under that you have 4 digits. Mine is 9114, so the 9 is 2009 and 114 is the 114th day of the year, which came out to April 24, 2009."

    So if it's new, the first digit should be a 3. Since today (9 May) is day 128, the last three digits will likely be close to 100, but certainly less than 128.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus8419 View Post
    Are there model years for guns like there are for cars? Is there a difference between a m&p 9c made in say 2011 vs one made in 2013? If so how do I know I'm getting the most current model when I buy the gun?
    Particularly on newer-made guns, sure there can be differences as the manufacturer corrects little foibles that become apparent once it has hit the market. This is standard "version 1.0" syndrome, which many products experience (cars, software, etc).

    The beauty of purchasing a new product is that you're able to specify what you're purchasing. If with something that's serialized (ie, firearms), you can indeed specify you're purchasing a newly-minted, recently-made example of XYZ product. With a given gun that has certain known issues, ones that you've found out from your pre-buy research, it's important to step over these ugly early variants if you're to avoid those issues. One easy way is to specify exactly what you're buying, and don't accept anything else if what happens to arrive is one of the "ugly" ones.

    As others have suggested: ask for the specific test-fire date, or date of manufacture. Be aware of the issues related to the given gun before you buy.
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