Suggestions for when you don't want a gun safe.

Suggestions for when you don't want a gun safe.

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    Suggestions for when you don't want a gun safe.

    I'm looking to expand my gun collection. Currently I have a small GunVault handgun box that I keep I my handguns in. I keep my shotgun loose and accessible in the closet.

    I have a teenage son and a soon to be teenaged daughter and although I'm not concerned about their access to the guns, (I've taught them gun safety etc.) I am concerned about friends that they have over and whether it could be a liability to have the guns accessible.

    The shotgun, I have a trigger lock on and I remove the bolt when I'm going to store it for a lengthy period of time, but as I said, I am looking to expand my collection and as I get more, I feel like I should be doing something more to prevent unauthorized access.

    The problems with a safe is that: they are expensive (at least good ones anyway); and good ones are extremely heavy. The location that I would like to keep my guns is in my bedroom which is upstairs. Additionally, my house isn't that big, and fitting a huge gun safe in my closet will not be very popular with my wife.

    I'm curious how many of you don't use gun safes at all? If you don't, how do you prevent unauthorized access to your weapons? I'm kind of looking for some "out-of-the-box thinking" (no pun intended). Is it reasonable to simply lock the actions of your weapons? Or perhaps purchase a metallic carrying case and wrap chains around it?

    What kind of unusual and efficient but secure methods of storage have you used?

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    If you'd not care to reveal whether you use a gun safe... no worries... suggestions still appreciated.


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    Responding to a thread about who doesn't own a gun safe is like posting your vacation plans on face book. Neither is a good idea. Posting security information on a public forum is not wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    Responding to a thread about who doesn't own a gun safe is like posting your vacation plans on face book. Neither is a good idea. Posting security information on a public forum is not wise.
    Don't be ridiculous.

    How is anyone on this forum going to find out where you live? When you won't be home? etc?
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    I'm not certain you'll have much luck with gaining information on who's home is safe-equipped and who's home is not.

    After having a roomy, dedicated and reinforced closet between two dormer windows of a two-story house for some years I had to do without for a period of time after a move. I have a fairly large pile of guns and was not a happy camper with this arrangement before arranging a room to receive a proper safe.

    I wouldn't be really happy with anything less than a safe, feeling that "out-of-the-box" thinking generally ends up looking pretty useless and ineffectual or else proves to be fundamentally as expensive as acquiring a good safe.

    It must be said that the degree of security you choose is directly proportional to the amount of importance you attach to your circumstances and your peace of mind. If it is important enough then space concerns or spousal viewpoint will be surmounted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.

    How is anyone on this forum going to find out where you live? When you won't be home? etc?
    Finding out is no problemo and with a little study much additional detail could be learned about habits if a person was a mind to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    Finding out is no problemo and with a little study much additional detail could be learned about habits if a person was a mind to do so.
    Fair nuff... I will edit the post to not ask that then.

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    Who doesn't have a gun safe?

    Idiots, if they can afford them, and then people who cannot afford them, but want them. I realize that not anyone can afford everyting, but work smart and even without a safe, create hide spots (well engineered redneck way hide spots). It is all the same in the end.

    Regardless of having a 'safe', that does not relieve anyone of safe handling of firearms, storage (loaded is best), but keeping them out of the hands of the l'ttle ones and criminals.

    Well, gee, you just are wrong if you keep loaded firearms, within arms reach, in your house, in today's political environment. Well, the Progressives can go pound sand................

    Look, Safes are a deterrent, not proofed. They afford a varying amount of protection based on the $$ amount you want to spend.

    If you have 'Kiddo's around' even the cheapest hunk of tin with a lock is 1,000% great!

    If you are worried about home robberies and break-ins, then evaluate your situation and buy a moderately tough safe <1,000 if that is what you can afford.

    Safes, offer time in exchange to response. Figure out what amount of time you need and buy to that level of comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.

    How is anyone on this forum going to find out where you live? When you won't be home? etc?
    I wasn't posting to insult you, just trying to enlighten. Many people on forums are under the false believe there is total anonymity and post details like they were talking to close personal friends. That has caused many folks serious problems. I've seen people new to forums post their full names and home addresses in response to posts because they don't know how dangerous it can be.

    Don't take it personal, just hoping to help newbies avoid a headache in the future.
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    It all depends on whether or not you trust your children to be able to completely prevent unauthorized access to your firearm when you are not home.

    Personally, if I owned guns, I'd have them locked in a safe like the Winchester Ranger Deluxe which, when in stock, can be purchased at Costco.com for $1599 including delivery.

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    I might even go a step further and turn my closet into a safe room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    I wasn't posting to insult you, just trying to enlighten. Many people on forums are under the false believe there is total anonymity and post details like they were talking to close personal friends. That has caused many folks serious problems. I've seen people new to forums post their full names and home addresses in response to posts because they don't know how dangerous it can be.

    Don't take it personal, just hoping to help newbies avoid a headache in the future.
    Absolutely - and, as it is an internet forum you don't have to be a member to read posts that are posted here. I'm amazed at how much personal information people like to post on here, but they will not put an NRA sticker on their vehicle
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    As for heavy safes, StackOn has a safe that breaks down so if installation/moving it are the issue, that may be a solution.
    If you're only worried about kids, get a $99 metal gun cabinet.
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    Before kids, I had a rifle and shotgun under the bed, and a pistol on the closet shelf. Then I got an old school locker room type locker with a pad lock. It sat in my utility room with the paint can shelf, light bulbs shoe rack, and diapers. Except for the lock, the room looked pretty benign. Ammo was on the top shelf behind some old paint.

    After having evolved (been through several levels of home security upgrades), I realize that theft is not a high concern for most people, especially if you don't have collectible firearms but do have good home owners insurance. Money, however, is a concern. I see nothing wrong with those "cheap" locking cabinets (like stack on). Yes, I could break into one in 2 seconds, but your concern is honest (mostly ) teens. You are looking for tamper resistant, not theft proof, right?

    Save for a safe someday, but right now it looks like you need to keep your firearms and ammo under some kind of lock and key. Of course you could take my solution and donate all your guns to Green Peace.
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    I have a safe to deter the possible theft of my collection, protect it in the event of a house fire, to keep the guns out of reach of the children and to meet the requirements of my home owners insurance policy. I also store the ammo I have "hoarded" in a lockable steel Haz Mat storage locker for the same reasons.
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    A safe is something people cannot easily get into or move. That means, something with sufficient thickness/gauge of steel, secure locks/bolts, weight to avoid access. IMO, anything with ~12ga steel or less is fairly simply cracked open with a hatchet and/or heavy hammer, with enough strikes. Let alone the fact that something not securely bolted down can be taken, to be opened elsewhere. Applies to "legitimate" visitors who decide to jump the rails as well as criminal intruders.

    My strong suggestion would be for a safe, one suitable for the closet or other spot, one that you can anchor down, that is secure enough to withstand a determined attack (or which is sufficiently insured to withstand defeats of the safe's security). JMHO

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    I don't know but it's just good common sense to get one, their are some good safes out there. I would look into one, if you have to not get a kind of gun you want I would get a safe and get that or those guns later. I rather be safe than to be sorry, it's also a piece of mind.
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