Man Killed by Bean Bag Gun

Man Killed by Bean Bag Gun

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    Man Killed by Bean Bag Gun

    Evidently the cops killed an old Park Forest man by shooting him with a bean bag gun. He had a knife and refused medical treatment, but the bean bag shot to the tummy got him. Bled to death, internally.


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    Wow, so much for less-than-lethal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    Wow, so much for less-than-lethal...
    I believe it is "less lethal"
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    Well, sounds like they tried to end it well. Can't win 'em all I guess.
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    I have never used a bean bag gun my last Dept. had a bean bag shell we fired from a Remington 870. We had varied results one huge gang banger took one hit and hit the ground immediately. The tier went dead silent. On another deployment another far more diminutive banger from the same gang as it happens took five bags and we had to go in and wrestle him down. Not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon10125 View Post
    I believe it is "less lethal"
    Less lethal is the term we were taught.

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    Lethal is lethal. No such thing as "less". It's like a crime being "more" or "less" illegal than another. Ridiculous terminology.
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    Quite a few deaths from getting shocked also.
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    Wow, so much for less-than-lethal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanfordreed View Post
    Quite a few deaths from getting shocked also.
    Not as often as getting shot, so I'd say that's why the term is used.

    I've gotten pretty pissy watching videos of cops taze people for pretty trivial things though too.
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    Aren't those supposed to be used on arms and legs, ideally? Possible training issue?

    "Less lethal" makes perfect sense; there's plenty of things in this world that are dangerous only in large portions or certain circumstances. The nomenclature is used to convey to the users that misuse can still result in serious injury or death, as in this case, even though that is not the intended result. What you would propose - "hurts really bad"? The world is not black and white.

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    "Don't taze me, bro"
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    Not as often as getting shot, so I'd say that's why the term is used.

    I've gotten pretty pissy watching videos of cops taze people for pretty trivial things though too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittypat21 View Post
    Lethal is lethal. No such thing as "less". It's like a crime being "more" or "less" illegal than another. Ridiculous terminology.
    It fits into modern ideas of "continuum of force" though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittypat21 View Post
    Lethal is lethal. No such thing as "less". It's like a crime being "more" or "less" illegal than another. Ridiculous terminology.
    The idea is to keep the operator from being complacent about what they are doing. They need to be aware that deaths have occurred with supposedly safe options bean bags, tazers, gas, even four point restraints. There are many variables and the end user needs to be cognizant of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    Wow, so much for less-than-lethal...
    It was never "less-than-lethal", that is a term news folks use and it is wrong. The term is "less lethal", meaning it is less likely to be lethal than me shooting. We were taught, pepper spray, Taser, bean bags, dogs and hands-on were all "less lethal", but any of them could lead to death under the wrong set of circumstances.

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    Humm...note to cops, next time aim for the family jewels and save a life.

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