When can you draw?

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    I'm not sure. That is a lot of people for me to try to keep track of. Even with my rifle and a 40 round mag I would be very leery of trying to intervene. Not to mention that if I did have to use my firearm, I might be portrayed as a LEO wannabe.
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    One problem with defending another's life is that you are putting your defense in their hands. You intervene, they tell the police that they "didn't feel that they were in danger of extreme physical injury or death" and you now have a very big problem on your hands. The last paragraph of the article says that so far the victim hasn't pressed charges. This could leave you with the victim telling police that they had provoked it but they new the people and knew they wouldn't "take it too far" or something similar. In a situation like that, you are better off calling 911 and being a good witness.

    In defending your own life you can state that you did feel your life was threatened. In defending your family you can most likely count on them saying that they felt their life was threatened. In defending a stranger, you never know what they will say.
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    That footage looks more like staged WWE than a genuine beat-down.
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    Call 911 and be a good witness. Period. My firearms are to protect me and my loved ones. Period. I am not a LEO, nor am I a LEO wannabe! Unless you know the ENTIRE situation, stay out of it! It could have been a gang initiation, in which case you are the one who would end up being on the short end! Maybe the "beatee" assaulted a girl at the party! Unless you know ALL THE FACTS, you are better off calling 911 and being a good witness and letting the "professionals" handle it! Just my .02. Can you say "Zimmerman"?????
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    Well we all know what Joe Biden and his shotgun would do.

    Seriously though, call 911 and make the surveillance tape available to them.
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    These questions seem to come up all the time. If my family or me is not the subject of the abuse, I'm not going to do anything but be the best witness I can be. Humphrey Bogart said it best in "Casablanca"...I stick my neck out for nobody. good luck
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    What if it is your son that is being pounded on would you still think the neighbor should just be a good witness?

    I am not sure if I can watch somebody get beaten this bad without doing something about it while my wife was calling 911 and describing me as well as what is happening. I firmly believe that if you went out there with as many guns as you could hold and hollered for them to leave or you were going to start shooting then they would disappear in a hurry. As a matter of fact if you went out unarmed and hollered they would scatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock2201 View Post
    I firmly believe that if you went out there with as many guns as you could hold and hollered for them to leave or you were going to start shooting then they would disappear in a hurry. As a matter of fact if you went out unarmed and hollered they would scatter.
    No offense, but I think that is naive. People's courage (or probably more appropriately stupidity) is greatly augmented when they've got numbers on their side.

    They may scatter, and they may not. What are you going to do if they don't?
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    These types of situations are at the core of what your moral beliefs are. Can I help? Should I help? What ifs are all over the place. Maybe they run if I pull out my AR, maybe they don't, Then what?

    I would help. I don't care what happened to Z, it does not factor into my SD at all. IMO if it does, you may need to reevaluate your SD plans....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    No offense, but I think that is naive. People's courage (or probably more appropriately stupidity) is greatly augmented when they've got numbers on their side.

    They may scatter, and they may not. What are you going to do if they don't?
    I would do whatever it took to defend myself. None of these punks want to get shot. Until it happened I can't tell you what I would do but I am saying I would have a very hard time just being a good witness while somebody gets beaten possibly to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock2201 View Post
    What if it is your son that is being pounded on would you still think the neighbor should just be a good witness?

    I am not sure if I can watch somebody get beaten this bad without doing something about it while my wife was calling 911 and describing me as well as what is happening. I firmly believe that if you went out there with as many guns as you could hold and hollered for them to leave or you were going to start shooting then they would disappear in a hurry. As a matter of fact if you went out unarmed and hollered they would scatter.
    That command voice I keep hearing about... As someone else said, what does one do when the six of them don't adhere to your story line?
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    I'm willing to bet that the one who took the beating in this felt he did something stupid enough not to want to report it. If so, I bet he doesn't do it again. If not, well, even though it was pretty much an unfair fight, at least it was a bit refreshing to see that it was kicks and fists rather than the all too usual knife and or gun involved.
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    Depends. Assuming it's for real and the guy is really getting pounced.... 911, and then I would probably intervene in some manner if really necessary. Depends upon the type of attack, etc. In that situation , there is an obvious "leader" .... and once he's knocked out, the others probably won't be as willing to want to continue it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    I'm willing to bet that the one who took the beating in this felt he did something stupid enough not to want to report it. If so, I bet he doesn't do it again. If not, well, even though it was pretty much an unfair fight, at least it was a bit refreshing to see that it was kicks and fists rather than the all too usual knife and or gun involved.
    Or he is lying somewhere dead????

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