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    Brother in NJ

    Just looking for comments on this, not answers, as I really doubt there are any.

    I'm from NJ but haven't lived there in 30 some years. I still have a brother who lives there and we have had a couple of discussions lately on guns in general and concealed carry.
    A few weeks ago he made the comment that if I lived up there I wouldn't want to carry and my comment was that I I lived up there I'd want to carry a bigger gun, probably MUCH bigger and that was kind of the end of the conversation.
    Last night we were taking and he said, as he has in the past that is believes people should be allowed to own guns but should not be allowed to carry them. I responded by saying what happens if you are standing outside of a restaurant and a guy comes up with a gun. He move on to say that there are areas around where he lives that are really bad and for that reason you really would not want to be armed.
    Ok, now this is where his logic really gets lost on me. I could probably understand if an area were really safe you wouldn't need to carry (I do, but just trying to understand his logic), however how in the world can an area be so bad that you wouldn't want to be armed.
    I can see not going into an area like that at all and I most likely wouldn't unless there was really a very pressing need, but why would going unarmed make it better?????

    Any thoughts on this. My on feeling is that he has lived there way to long.
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    It's hard to converse with strong anti-gunners...their minds are already made up, and you'll only confuse them them using real facts.

    I sometimes feel these types out a bit, but it's usually pretty easy to see when you're wasting oxygen to convince them about the evil roaming our world.

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    I grew up in NJ and even in the 50s there was a general notion that only bad guys carried (not simply owned) handguns. So now 2 generations later, the populace in PRNJ has been fed that notion so long it's part of their DNA and hard-wired brain cells.

    Until your brother fully accepts the fact that bad things happen to good people every day of the week, you're not going to convince him that being armed outside the home is in any way worthwhile.
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    Good luck getting an explanation as to why some people are proud of the fact that they don't fire on all cylinders.
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    It could be the narrative in the media that carrying a gun makes you less safe, because criminals won't harm you if you're unarmed. Which of course is ridiculous, but that's what they say.
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    He has no logic, only fantasy.
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    I was born in N.Y. and spend a lot of time in N.J. and the only sane answer is that after a long time weak minds are brain washed by the garbage they hear and read every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    It could be the narrative in the media that carrying a gun makes you less safe, because criminals won't harm you if you're unarmed. Which of course is ridiculous, but that's what they say.
    However we all know that not carring a gun only makes the criminals safer.
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    Your bro no insult intended here, means exactly what he says. And his logic is typical anti gun thinking except he articulates it better than most do.
    His area is really bad meaning something is more likely to happen to him. If hes armed then he would be able to do something about it on his own. But he realizes that he for whatever reason is not capable of doing that within himself. He has been conditioned to believe that only LE can or should deal with criminals. That a regular person has no ability or chance to protect themselves.

    He moved on without an answer to your last question because the answer is he will be a victim without recourse, and he knows and accepts that. Fighting back or defending himself either has been talked out of him or was never in him in the first place. And he does not believe anyone else should be allowed to try to do what he himself cannot do to protect themselves.
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    He's been drinking the kool-aid for too long and not the GLOCK kool-aid.

    Ask him if he wears that pesky seatbelt every time he drives or just when he's driving dangerously or in a bad neighborhood?

    Does he keep a fire extinguisher in the house only when his wife is cooking or all of time?

    Does he just get health insurance when something ails him or does he have it all of the time?
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    I live in the fine state of Maryland , we have alot of them folks here you can talk until your head will start hurting and make no sense out of what they say .
    I believe they all think " Lassie " will save them from the bad guy or rescue them from the well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by flphotog View Post
    Just looking for comments on this, not answers, as I really doubt there are any.

    I'm from NJ but haven't lived there in 30 some years. I still have a brother who lives there and we have had a couple of discussions lately on guns in general and concealed carry.
    A few weeks ago he made the comment that if I lived up there I wouldn't want to carry and my comment was that I I lived up there I'd want to carry a bigger gun, probably MUCH bigger and that was kind of the end of the conversation.
    Last night we were taking and he said, as he has in the past that is believes people should be allowed to own guns but should not be allowed to carry them. I responded by saying what happens if you are standing outside of a restaurant and a guy comes up with a gun. He move on to say that there are areas around where he lives that are really bad and for that reason you really would not want to be armed.
    Ok, now this is where his logic really gets lost on me. I could probably understand if an area were really safe you wouldn't need to carry (I do, but just trying to understand his logic), however how in the world can an area be so bad that you wouldn't want to be armed.
    I can see not going into an area like that at all and I most likely wouldn't unless there was really a very pressing need, but why would going unarmed make it better?????

    Any thoughts on this. My on feeling is that he has lived there way to long.
    They believe that if they were to carry a gun into the bad area they would be responsible for handing a gun over to the bad guys.

    They believe that the bad guys will know they have a gun and the bad guys will mug them and take the gun from them.

    They also don't trust themselves (or others) to act responsibly...They also think that if they went into a bad area with a gun they would get scared and start shooting and when they run out of bullets the bad guys will take the gun from them.
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    I hope you get to have him visit you and take him shooting and then out for dinner. Make it a fun thing to do and enjoy each others company. Only sounds like the both of you need to share some of your life with each other and both give some just to keep the peace. If you push him, he will turn and head the other direction. Not him personally, it's just human nature to push back when we feel pushed. Let him shoot a few times and get the bug and see just how fun it is!

    You two will get it worked out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flphotog View Post
    Just looking for comments on this, not answers, as I really doubt there are any.

    I'm from NJ but haven't lived there in 30 some years. I still have a brother who lives there and we have had a couple of discussions lately on guns in general and concealed carry.
    A few weeks ago he made the comment that if I lived up there I wouldn't want to carry and my comment was that I I lived up there I'd want to carry a bigger gun, probably MUCH bigger and that was kind of the end of the conversation.
    Last night we were taking and he said, as he has in the past that is believes people should be allowed to own guns but should not be allowed to carry them. I responded by saying what happens if you are standing outside of a restaurant and a guy comes up with a gun. He move on to say that there are areas around where he lives that are really bad and for that reason you really would not want to be armed.
    Ok, now this is where his logic really gets lost on me. I could probably understand if an area were really safe you wouldn't need to carry (I do, but just trying to understand his logic), however how in the world can an area be so bad that you wouldn't want to be armed.
    I can see not going into an area like that at all and I most likely wouldn't unless there was really a very pressing need, but why would going unarmed make it better?????

    Any thoughts on this. My on feeling is that he has lived there way to long.
    I'm from NJ and I have a few handguns and don't think like your brother. As to your brother and his logic: If the bad guy thinks you have a gun, then you are a serious threat to him and he will shoot you. But if the bad guy thinks you don't have a gun, then you are not a threat to him and he may take your money but not shoot you (therefore you are actually safer when you don't have a gun).

    Personally, I think the odds of being shot are 50/50 when a person doesn't have a gun and is accosted by a mugger with a gun.


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    I'm from NJ and lived here for 40 years. The mentality here is strongly ingrained one way or the other, although I don't know if it comes from the schools (it wasn't mentioned in my years). In other states, it is just a normal activity to go shooting as hobby, or hunt, etc.
    Here, the gun owners are almost a secret society, keeping quiet about it as if it were child porn.

    Just yesterday, I was talking with my neighbor about a job he was wrapping up on my house (he is a contractor). I've known him casually for 10 years. Somehow the topic popped up and he opened up to me saying essentially "oh, you are one of us?" and then he showed me pictures of his rifle collection on his phone. We chatted for a good half an hour.

    My son spends hours on his Wii killing people in Call of Duty. When I showed him a real AR-15, he recoiled in horror. Figure that one out. My wife thought loaded guns jumped around by themselves at night and shot sleeping children (she's a blond, so she gets a pass). When her father died, her mother was cleaning out his things over time, and she stumbled on 3 old derringers that didn't even work, hidden away in the back of a sock drawer. She was aghast and asked me to get rid of them immediately. I'll probably mount them on the wall of my man cave as decoration.

    And I should add, as anyone from NJ knows, it is almost impossible to get a carry permit in this state unless you are LEO or your cousin is a judge. Therefore most anyone actually carrying has an illegal pistol (nobody favors concealed rifles here) that they would have in any case (cheap Saturday night specials bought on the street). They don't go through the application/fingerprint/reference check process the legal owners go through.

    So your brother has a backward view of this topic, IMO.
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