Residents seek private security to protect them

Residents seek private security to protect them

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    But I thought that's what our tax dollars did with the police?
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    California
    Maryland
    New Jersey.

    Common thread here.....

    All three states have strict gun control laws.

    It is not a coincidence.
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    Far too many PDs only fill out after-incident reports these days. They get pro-active and people complain about infringement on privacy and rights. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    But I thought that's what our tax dollars did with the police?
    No, the SCOTUS has already ruled that Law Enforcement has no duty to protect you or anyone else. They only investigate after the fact.

    When are people going to recognize this and take responsibility for their own protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMOPE View Post
    California
    Maryland
    New Jersey.

    Common thread here.....

    All three states have strict gun control laws.

    It is not a coincidence.
    Are you insinuating that criminals don't obey gun laws? Well dang, the libtards lied again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40SCiinNC View Post
    When are people going to recognize this and take responsibility for their own protection?
    I would assume they would, if they could. The states mentioned are highly restrictive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    But I thought that's what our tax dollars did with the police?
    Generally, sure. The operative word being: generally.

    But hardly on a schedule that matches the needs of many communities, or on a schedule that's anywhere near as sensitive to changes in neighborhood concerns. A neighborhood alliance and/or service is almost always going to be "better eyes" than police "over there" (some minutes away). Besides, the courts have upheld the concept that nobody has any legitimate expectation of being specifically protected by police services, that it's general community protection that such services provide. No surprises, there. IMO, we're all going to be better "eyes" on our own properties and with our own communities than anyone else not specifically tied to that community.

    Glad to see more communities waking up. Now, if only every individual could wake up, realizing that merely subbing-out the service isn't necessarily enough. Everyone needs to be the eyes and ears in our communities, participating in (a) getting to know one another, (b) getting to know what's out of place, (c) cooperating closely with law enforcement where appropriate, and (d) protecting ourselves at all times. Do that, and we'll have much more secure communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40SCiinNC View Post
    No, the SCOTUS has already ruled that Law Enforcement has no duty to protect you or anyone else. They only investigate after the fact.

    When are people going to recognize this and take responsibility for their own protection?
    This statement is patently false. It's a commom extrapolation from a very specific, and limited ruling.
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    What are the details, Spuk? I understood it to be no duty to protect any individual unless actually in their custody, only society in general.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
    I understood it to be no duty to protect any individual unless actually in their custody, only society in general.
    NO AFFIRMATIVE DUTY TO PROTECT US

    Police have no responsibility to protect individuals (reference)

    Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40SCiinNC View Post
    No, the SCOTUS has already ruled that Law Enforcement has no duty to protect you or anyone else. They only investigate after the fact.

    When are people going to recognize this and take responsibility for their own protection?
    Tongue-in-cheek, dude.
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    I know in the article for Baltimore's Little Italy for many years had its own protection force it was the residents of that community that looked over each other . Now the neiborhood has changed and the old residents are dying off.
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    LE are in awkward position and handicapped by the very nature of the job they do.

    IF they try to be proactive more than just their presence patrolling and being seen, they are for the most part legally and constitutionally overstepping their legal authority. Stopping people doing nothing illegal, questioning, acting on hunches or gut feelings puts them into the realm of forming a police state. The majority of the public wont tolerate that for long.

    They have no crystal ball so unless they see something happening in their presence then calls and complaints are the only way they have of knowing something illegal is happening. Add the time for a person to call it in, a dispatcher to dispatch a LEO, the officer to get to the scene and its very likely that whatever was happening is over or at very least the majority of damage is already done. Not their fault. They can only move so fast and be in so many places at once.

    So yes they are mostly a clean up, make reports and investigate after the fact proposition.

    Its the nature of that job. And no you cannot depend on LE to protect your life. Because 99.0 percent of the time you will be long dead before they arrive.
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