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    WentToCabella's..HELP!!!

    Hello Gun Experts. Recap of my issue. I have a gorgeous 18 year old living off campus in a sketchy neighborhood, where a woman was pulled off the road at 7am Friday drug into the woods and brutally raped....1 3/4 miles from my daughters apartment.
    Looking for a self defense weapon she can handle and will actually shoot. (hates the 20 gauge & my 32 Beretta Tomcat, loves my Bushmaster AR-15 and old bolt action 22rifle). Trying to settle on an acceptable home defense (not carry) bedside weapon.
    This is a nerdy all girl non party apartment.

    Have collected a wonderful list from this community of gun owners and went to Cabella's yesterday. I liked these two for fit in my hand and options. Wondering what you think of these two guns.
    Pro's and Cons.
    Sig M11-A-1
    Rug SP101

    Thank You for your time :)))
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    How many threads are you going to start on the same subject?

    This is the third one that I know about.

    Question Advice needed for Mom/Daughter with Self Defense Guns, please.

    Advice needed for Mom/Daughter with Self Defense Guns, please.
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    Sorry 1MoreGoodGuy I am new to this forum and I thought this was a new discussion. I tried to place it in the appropriate place, which I thought was general discussion.



    The reason I have the above in two place is because an Administrator told me to post the the same thread in (that you noted above) not in the "New Member about me" but also in the other one I posted. "First welcome to the forum!
    Next, this question would have been better in one of the other major threads, since this is the "Welcome" thread, and many members never come in here."

    Sorry again, if you feel this is not correct, I was following a suggestion and felt this was a new conversation.

    Just trying to find some answers from some knowledgeable people.

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    Sorry for jumping down your throat this morning...didn't have my coffee yet...Please accept my apology.

    Get the Sig M11-A-1

    but if budget allows, get both.
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    The Ruger SP101 that is on your list happens to be a favorite of mine. For defensive work it will definitely serve your daughter well, and it is very easy to learn to use. First of all the SP101 is about as rugged a designed as any handgun could be. So it will take abuse that many other firearms would not tolerate. It is easy to load, unload, and to verify its condition (loaded or unloaded) at a glance. Combined with a proven .38 Special load it will offer great service to anyone. I recommend a Remington .38 Special +P Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point for self defense. Even though it is an "old school" load it has been around for decades because it works VERY well. Police and civilian shooters have relied on it since it came onto the market, and it is offered by many ammunition manufacturers. It works particularly well with snub nose revolvers like the SP101. There is a whole list of attributes that a snubbie offers for defensive work. Here are (7) that are commonly given by most folks, although there are more that can be listed.

    1. Easy to carry and conceal
    2. Easy to load and unload
    3. Can handle mild or "hot" loads
    4. In case of a bad round that does not go off, all one has to do is pull the trigger again. (No immediate action drills like those associated with a semi-auto)
    5. It can be pressed up against an assailant (contact shot) without going out of battery like a semi-auto
    6. Not sensitive to ammunition type like semi-autos
    7. Very reliable in terms of operation

    Generally speaking a whole lot of instructors will recommend a revolver for first time shooters because of its simplicity. There are folks that will say others wise and state they recommend a semi-auto. Ultimately it depends upon the person that is going to be using the firearm. To me the simplicty of a revolver makes it a better choice for shooters that would be described best as "novice". There are a whole lot of things that can go wrong in a self defense situation, but fumbling around with a gun you don't fully understand or are not comfortable with is an avoidable one. The SP101 is a SOLID choice for her, but if you decide on it I hope she never has to use it.
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    Make sure to buy a holster, as well. The holster is also a safety device, as well as a method to carry the weapon. Of course, it also protects the weapon, too.

    Me, I would want a closed end holster. When wearing a holster, for the most part, it doesnt matter if the end of the holster is open or closed.

    But for putting the weapon, inside a holster, in a night stand, or whatever, a closed end holster keeps stuff from getting in the end of the barrel. Stuff getting in the end of the barrel is a very bad thing, if the weapon is then fired.
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    Also, get her a good quality holster like a MaxTuck from White Hat Holsters White Hat Holsters... gun gear for the GOOD guys! and make sure she carries the firearm on her person when she is at home. The gun will do her no good if it is in the nightstand drawer in the bedroom and she gets attacked at the front door. Make sure she gets her carry permit A.S.A.P.

    Also, make sure she gets some self-defense training. Consider enrolling her in Krav Maga training classes.
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    Dear GhostMaker. That was such a wonderful and helpful post! Thank You so very very much for pointing out such detailed and concise information. I would have never even considered a revolver before finding this forum a few days ago. But I agree it does seem much easier to operate for a novice, and a semi reasonably priced gun. Thank You also for your suggestion on the Ammo!!!! I would have never had a clue which one to get.

    I am wondering if it is safe to keep the gun loaded? It seems like a self defense weapon should be ready to use at all times, but as a Mother this does concern me. I think that is the only reason I am hesitant on the revolver. There is no safety?

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    Sorry for jumping down your throat this morning...didn't have my coffee yet...Please accept my apology.

    Get the Sig M11-A-1

    but if budget allows, get both.
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    StormRhydr :))) A holster, I would have not thought of that either. Thank You! She will not be carrying the gun, it will just be next to her bed, but that makes a lot of sense. I was wondering what she would keep it in that would keep the gun safe and accessible. I was thinking a jewelry box?

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    Agreed! I believe, for a novice handgunner, the SP101 is a preferable to a "feather-weight" snubbie. Hot loads in a whisper-light j-frame is a sure way to stun, scare & discourage a rookie shooter. The Ruger makes recoil a non-issue, which means you'll practice more, which makes you a better, more confident shooter. Once the experience-level grows, only then (IMHO) should an aspiring pistolero "graduate" to lighter, more skill-intensive handguns.

    And don't forget a good (Surefire, Streamlight, etc.) flashlight.
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    Thank you Mr.GoodGuy I am going to visit tomorrow and will be bringing the TomCat till I purchase the other gun. I will look into the self defense training you suggested as well and see if it is available in her area. She is too young to get a carry permit I believe. She is only 18. I think you have to be 21?

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    Ghost Tracker: Is the Surefire flashlight go on the gun, or is that one you are suggesting to be near the gun? Sorry if these sound so "blond" I truly am Extremely Novice! This community has been so generous with my questions.
    Thank You!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlswithguns View Post
    Dear GhostMaker. That was such a wonderful and helpful post! Thank You so very very much for pointing out such detailed and concise information. I would have never even considered a revolver before finding this forum a few days ago. But I agree it does seem much easier to operate for a novice, and a semi reasonably priced gun. Thank You also for your suggestion on the Ammo!!!! I would have never had a clue which one to get.

    I am wondering if it is safe to keep the gun loaded? It seems like a self defense weapon should be ready to use at all times, but as a Mother this does concern me. I think that is the only reason I am hesitant on the revolver. There is no safety?

    Thoughts?
    True...any gun that you keep for self defense should be kept loaded (and of course away from children and others). The beauty about a revolver is that it can be safely kept loaded for long periods of time. This is because there is no tension being placed on the springs of the firearm. The first and best safety on a revolver is to keep your finger out of the trigger until you are ready to fire. With some semi-autos you have safeties that you can engage, but that can also be a draw back. This is because if you engage the safety when you don't need it, you MUST disengage it when you do. Lots of folks, including cops I worked with, will forget to take the safety off when a threat presents itself. Modern revolvers like the SP101 also have a "transfer bar safety" that prevents the gun from discharging if it is dropped. The trigger must be fully cycled before it will fire a round, so there again, the truest safety is keeping your finger off the trigger. That concept in and of itself is perhaps the easiest for someone to master.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlswithguns View Post
    Dear GhostMaker. That was such a wonderful and helpful post! Thank You so very very much for pointing out such detailed and concise information. I would have never even considered a revolver before finding this forum a few days ago. But I agree it does seem much easier to operate for a novice, and a semi reasonably priced gun. Thank You also for your suggestion on the Ammo!!!! I would have never had a clue which one to get.

    I am wondering if it is safe to keep the gun loaded? It seems like a self defense weapon should be ready to use at all times, but as a Mother this does concern me. I think that is the only reason I am hesitant on the revolver. There is no safety?

    Thoughts?
    An unloaded gun is very, very dangerous...Unloaded guns act more like hammers than guns...Guns can't shoot bullets if they aren't loaded and guns don't shoot bullets unless someone does something that causes the trigger to be manipulated.

    If you keep the gun in a holster that protects the trigger, it is nearly impossible to have a negligent discharge.
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