Technique or just TV?

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    I'm a big fan of the TV show, Justified. I've seen this following scenario a few times, and I'm curious whether it's a legitimate law enforcement technique or just TV scripting? While the lead Deputy Marshall (usually the main character - Raylan) is talking to the potential bad guy, with his gun hand either empty, or simply resting on his holstered firearm, the trailing DM (who's not talking) has his/her weapon drawn and at the low ready position.

    I can see how this would work: As the PBG, my attention would naturally be drawn to the closest LEO first, the guy who's also talking to me. At the same time, talking LEO isn't "provoking" me by drawing his weapon. His body language would be "See, I haven't drawn my weapon. You don't need to draw yours either."
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    99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of what they show on TV is BS. If the suspect isn't armed and isn't going to be arrested, no reason to have a gun drawn. If the suspect is armed, all LEO would be. If the suspect is wanted for a violent crime, or suspected of being violent, all would or should be armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of what they show on TV is BS. If the suspect isn't armed and isn't going to be arrested, no reason to have a gun drawn. If the suspect is armed, all LEO would be. If the suspect is wanted for a violent crime, or suspected of being violent, all would or should be armed.
    I think you're missing a few nines.
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    This is why I don't watch television COP shows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    I think you're missing a few nines.
    99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

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    0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000001 is the current percentage of CCL holders in Illinois.)
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    Love Justified, but many of the "techniques" shown on the show are for dramatic effect and entertainment. I am sure some are reasonably accurate, but high entertainment value trumps all in the never never land of movies and television.

    Is the scene you described tecnically accurate? I don't really know, but I am sure their are some very knwlegable people on this forum that will let you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    (BTW,
    0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000001 is the current percentage of CCL holders in Illinois.)
    I think you're missing a few zeros.
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    Is not a law enforcement technique that you are taught in the academy. But does it happen in real life? Probably yes.

    Too many factors involved to say that it never happens.j

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    Love the show, but realize that most if not all of the situations are going to be TV enhanced for the sake of entertainment.....

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    Actually Raylen doesn't draw unless he's about to light someone up.

    He's that way in the books and as far as I can recall in the series whenever he clears leather someone dies.

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    Cops are also trained to roll on the ground while shooting people through Christmas trees.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of what they show on TV is BS. If the suspect isn't armed and isn't going to be arrested, no reason to have a gun drawn. If the suspect is armed, all LEO would be. If the suspect is wanted for a violent crime, or suspected of being violent, all would or should be armed.
    WAIT! You mean some of it is real?!?!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjinga View Post
    I'm a big fan of the TV show, Justified. I've seen this following scenario a few times, and I'm curious whether it's a legitimate law enforcement technique or just TV scripting? While the lead Deputy Marshall (usually the main character - Raylan) is talking to the potential bad guy, with his gun hand either empty, or simply resting on his holstered firearm, the trailing DM (who's not talking) has his/her weapon drawn and at the low ready position.

    I can see how this would work: As the PBG, my attention would naturally be drawn to the closest LEO first, the guy who's also talking to me. At the same time, talking LEO isn't "provoking" me by drawing his weapon. His body language would be "See, I haven't drawn my weapon. You don't need to draw yours either."
    I think maybe technique differs from department to department. What you describe in your post is actually technique I was tought, and used.

    The first about an officer in the interview stance or position resting his hand on a holstered firearm is called "COVERING FROM THE LOADED POSITION". Developed by a major P/D resultant from civilian complaints about officers waiving their guns around. Most often when a police officer is questioning a person there is a good reason. In many places there is an undercurrent of violence, and officers have been wounded and killed during this kind of an interaction. In the interest of their own safety of they felt threatened in any way they would unholster, and have their gun in their hand. This is not only intimidating to the subject but also intimidating to people not involved. The purpose of having the gun in the hand is not to intimidate, but to be prepared to meet a deadly threat as quickly as possible. The Firearms and Tactics section of the police academy was tasked to find a happy medium, so not to cause alarm without any compromise to officer safety. The P/A/Fa/T/S conducted experimental drills within their staff. They found that there was no real difference in time between raising a gun from strait down or behind the officers leg, than drawing from an already broken holster. The police holsters in question both revolver, and auto do not lend to a fast draw.

    The technique of one officer talking, while the other officer has his/her gun drawn is a fairly common thing. When questioning or even arresting a subject the officer within contact distance, or who will make contact with the subject should NOT!!! have a gun in his hand. The second officer does cover from a distance away. I used this all the time. Not just when making an arrest, but when questioning someone. When my partner and I went out at the beginning of the tour we'd decide which one would talk, and who would shoot. If the interaction went sideways the talker would hit the deck, and the shooter would do just that.... shoot.
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