Firearm Confiscation From The Mentally Ill

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    Firearm Confiscation From The Mentally Ill

    What are your thoughts on gun confiscation from the mentally ill, and do you think it would lessen the violent mass murders that has plagued us lately ?

    Gun Seizures: Will Taking Guns from the Mentally Ill Prevent More Violent Crime? | TIME.com


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    My question is who is saying they are mentally ill? If it's the Gov. or their so called "experts" then I'd say no because they can say anyone is mentally ill. Just my $0.02 worth.
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    Anybody could be declared "unstable" if they wanted them to be. Been through a divorce? Lost a loved one? Ever had your heart broken? Failed an important exam? You get the point.

    I wouldn't have much trust in the system and who will be declaring who's mentally ill or unstable? The Government? Yeah, no thanks.
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    Could the program enhance public safety? Yes. However since the payment for the program is to come strictly from gun owners it would seem we are seeing a predisposition that gun owners are responsible for criminal activity. This makes abuse appear not just likely but inevitable.
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    I am in a weird mood today. When I read the title, my first thought was that I didn't want my guns confiscated by the sane or the mentally ill.
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    I'm thinking if declaring the mentally ill unable to own a firearm, it would open up a can of worms with the American Disability Act such as we have seen in Iowa in regards to a CCW allowed for the legally blind. As blitzburgh mentioned, who's to say what constitutes mental illness ? It has it's possibilities as a good start to keeping guns out of dangerous hands but the mental illness would almost have to be of the wacko variety, and I doubt they could pass our present background checks.

    Just throwing it out there for your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldpsufan View Post
    What are your thoughts on gun confiscation from the mentally ill, and do you think it would lessen the violent mass murders that has plagued us lately ?

    Gun Seizures: Will Taking Guns from the Mentally Ill Prevent More Violent Crime? | TIME.com
    Why don't you start us off with your thoughts on confiscating guns from those you deem mentally ill, and whether or not you think it would lessen the violent mass murders that has plagued us lately? While you are at it, perhaps you could share with us what criteria you will be using to determine that someone is "mentally ill" and who will be making these determinations and what procedures will be in place that will enable people to refute your claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    Why don't you start us off with your thoughts on confiscating guns from those you deem mentally ill, and whether or not you think it would lessen the violent mass murders that has plagued us lately? While you are at it, perhaps you could share with us what criteria you will be using to determine that someone is "mentally ill" and who will be making these determinations and what procedures will be in place that will enable people to refute your claim?
    The reason I didn't start out with my thoughts is that invariably the OP of this type post is usually attacked by the opposition just on general principles. I wanted a discussion, not an argument.
    My thoughts are that it could work if constructed properly, such as no loopholes, medical records would have to include violent background. Prescription drugs for medical purposes that "might" cause side effects could not be admissible for confiscation. I'm thinking a stay in a mental institution should be looked at strongly. I do not think that everyone who see a psychiatrist for whatever reason be looked at. All in all it is a slippery slope, but in the hands of the proper group of people, it could work. For example, the NRA has a powerful voice and they want the mentally ill not to have guns as per their speeches to the Gov. Perhaps they could draft up something that would be suitable......... But then again I can't see the Gov agreeing with the NRA anymore than pigs flying.

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    It is indeed a slippery slope and that's exactly why I, no matter who runs it, will not support it. JMO.
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    As with many other things and situations where people are deprived of property or personal rights, I can live with it
    provided there is an administrative and judicial process which is adversarial, and the individual accused of being ill enough to lose his possession/right
    is enabled to appear at an appropriate judicial forum with an attorney to counter the accusations by the accuser, or present
    evidence that such a seizure is unnecessary for protection of themselves or the public.
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    Discussed this with my wife, a family doctor the other day. Even just filtering for psychotic traits, there's no way we could think of to do this that would not create major risk of Salem witch trial type scenarios. It's a tough and important problem, not least because every time someone not in their right mind uses guns to kill a bunch of people, it results in public calls to ban or otherwise further restrict gun ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WannabeaCPA View Post
    My question is who is saying they are mentally ill? If it's the Gov. or their so called "experts" then I'd say no because they can say anyone is mentally ill. Just my $0.02 worth.
    This really is a major issue and it is frequently misinterpreted. In every piece of legislation I have reviewed about this issue, the point has been made that a person does NOT get on the no-gun list unless he has been to court and involuntarily committed. This adversarial process is essential to protect people from misapplied labels and flat out mistakes in diagnosis.

    I spent 2 years doing emergency psychiatry (ER Doc and also a praciticng psychologist) during which one of myduties was to 'Baker Act, people and hold them for 48 hours during which time they were represented by appoointed council and a hearing by a judge would then determine that they were or were not a danger to themselves and others.

    Merely getting a diagnosis of depression or PTSD would NOT qualify a person for the no-gun list. you had to be a danger to your self or others and have your day in court before any issue of present or future gun ownership came up.
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    There is due process right now to forcibly commit someone who is mentally ill. If you can literally incarcerate them and take away ALL their liberty, why is preventing them from having guns worse?

    We certainly CAN be morally and legally deprived of our liberty. As long as there is due process, and our citizen peers sit in judgment, rather than the government, I'm ok with it.
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    I would submit that gun confiscation attempts on any law abiding group of citizens for whatever reasons that can be dreamed up will up the level of gun violence much more than those considering it would like to think. And they should probably rethink it very hard before attempting it. Confiscation of firearms from groups of citizens simply on the whims of others based on mental health because at the moment it is the buzzword of gun confiscation is treading on very thin ice.

    If one has been commited by a court involuntarily they cannot legally own a gun already. Nothing more needs to done.
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