UK stuff - puzzling .......

UK stuff - puzzling .......

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    UK stuff - puzzling .......

    Some will know perhaps of my gun losses in UK I have been here since 2000) - handguns went in 1997 but prior to that I had to lose my Mini-14 and Stirling carbine - tho in fact thru a devious route got them back deactivated - as wallhangers.

    What is odd is the mention in the report below of "reactivated within minutes".

    Well I am an engineer and not devoid of ingenuity but - both my semi's that were deactivated had to be done and certified by one of the two proof houses and certificated - to make them legal

    Changes? - barrel close to chamber milled to a slot of about 1/4" wide for some distance. FP removed of course and - humungous pin permanently fitted across chamber thus blocking it.

    So ...... my take would have been - no way to reactivate (safely) in hours even - more like days, and with huge difficulty. So I wonder what ''deactivation'' means in context of this report.

    Whole deal is crazy of course, as crooks are getting a nice flow of ready-to-go guns via Eastern Block countries!!! The decision not to impose extra restrictions tho is puzzling too - seeing as UK Gov seems to want to ban or tighten about anything these days.

    "Deactivated" Guns Made Lethal In Four Minutes

    Sunday Telegraph

    Gun crime victims have criticised the Government for failing to close a loophole that allows criminals to legally buy "deactivated" firearms that can be turned back into lethal weapons within minutes. The Home Office has decided not to introduce any restrictions on deactivated guns-modified so that they cannot be fired-as part of the Violent Crime Reduction Bill, which is due to come into force early next year.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../24/ngun24.xml
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    To me, it sounds like the anti-gunners are just looking to get rid of ANY vestige of anything that reminds them of a firearm. They don't want any remnants that might scare them.

    They've gotten to the point of banning firearms, air guns, knives......where will it end? It may end when they realize that it isn't the weapons that commit crime....IT'S CRIMINALS!!
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    Pointy sticks!!!!!!!!!!!! GO AFTER THE POINTY STICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post

    "Violent Crime Reduction Bill"
    Huh? is their legislation always mis-labeled and oxymoronic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foreveryoung001 View Post
    Pointy sticks!!!!!!!!!!!! GO AFTER THE POINTY STICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If you go after the pointy sticks, then the terrorists win.

    (begins to hyperventilate...)

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    most likely a P.R. "fib" to get all those nasty deactivated guns outta citizens hands. Seems British citizens are overdue for a harbor tea party.
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    Lucy Cope, from Mothers against Guns, an organisation that campaigns against the use of firearms, said: "This is a disgrace. A criminal with a drill and a clamp can make a deactivated gun 'live' in under four minutes."
    Chris, if this info below from http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/whatare.htm is correct it appears that the statement above, which comes from the article you quoted, is somewhat less than accurate.

    What are 'deactivated' weapons?

    A deactivated weapon is any firearm that has been converted so that it can no longer discharge any shot, bullet or any other missile. Deactivation is intended to be permanent and cannot be reactivated without specialist tools or skills.

    Deactivation:
    Deactivation work carried out in the UK since 1 July 1989, will generally have been endorsed by a Proof House. The weapon will be proof marked and issued with a deactivation certificate.

    There are stringent requirements before a weapon can be proofed as deactivated and such work should be left to a gunsmith. A registered firearms dealer is the best person to speak to about this.

    Any weapon - including prohibited one such as a machine gun - can be deactivated and will no longer deemed a firearm under the Firearms Act.

    Deactivated weapons may be possessed without a firearm or shotgun certificate and may be displayed in the owner's home without the need for a locked gun cabinet.

    Old spec (weapons deactivated before October 1995)
    Submachine guns and semi automatic rifles have working actions. Revolvers do not have blocked cylinders and can accept an inert round.

    New spec (weapons deactivated post October 1995)
    Submachine guns and semi automatic rifles have welded actions (they will not cock or dry fire) Revolvers have the cylinders blocked and cannot accept an inert round.
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    What are they going to do when they conficate crossbows, raid all the Museums and chop up the antiques?

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    Well, if I take a deactivated rifle and hit a perp with a full swing like a baseball bat I'll bet it will do some damage. Is that what they're worried about? They'll be registering cricket bats soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELCruisr View Post
    Well, if I take a deactivated rifle and hit a perp with a full swing like a baseball bat I'll bet it will do some damage. Is that what they're worried about? They'll be registering cricket bats soon.
    You aren't far from being correct.............you're NOT going to believe this story I found a couple of weeks ago.....

    Cricket fan is caught with 'lethal' ball
    In the hands of Shane Warne, a cricket ball is an offensive weapon. A total of 650 fallen wickets prove it.
    Police on a London Underground station thought it was an equally dangerous item in the hands of Chris Hurd, a 28-year-old City accountant who occasionally bowls leg spin for his local team in Belsize Park, North London.

    Mr Hurd claimed that he had been merely holding the ball as he rode the escalator at Baker Street station in London when he was stopped by a female British Transport Police officer and subjected to a ten-minute inquisition and allegations that he was carrying “a very hard object”, which he should not have done in public as it was a potentially lethal weapon. He had, he said, taken the ball to work because he planned to watch the opening Ashes test between England and Australia in a pub with friends later in the evening. Earlier in the day he had been throwing it in the air to strengthen his spin-bowling muscles.



    But by the time he got to the station, he said, he was holding it firmly in his hand. He accused the officer of ridiculous overreaction.

    “There was a policewoman on the step below me and she was staring at the ball all the way up. As we got to the top she tapped me on the shoulder and said she wanted a word.”

    Mr Hurd, who works for Ernst and Young, the accountants, said the officer asked him if he knew he was carring a very hard object and he replied: “Yes, it’s a cricket ball.”

    She confiscated the ball while she questioned Mr Hurd for ten minutes, gave him a verbal warning and filled out a stop-and-search report.

    “I told her I was only carrying it because the Ashes were about to start and I was very excited. I was wearing a very boring suit and looked every inch the bean-counter I am. It is not as if I was unshaven and looked dangerous. But she was completely humourless and showed no understanding of my excitement,” Mr Hurd said.

    “When she let me go and gave me my ball back, she said she was being extremely lenient with me. She failed to realise that I presented no threat whatsoever and I left feeling completely misunderstood.”

    Mr Hurd said the encounter had shaken his faith in the police, and had caused him to sympathise with members of ethnic minorities who were subjected to stop-and-searches.

    “How can a cricket ball be an offensive weapon? I don’t think it would be anyone’s weapon of choice, and all I was doing was holding it. It wasted ten minutes of time for both of us, and left her with paperwork.”

    A spokesman said that British Transport Police had no knowledge of the incident but added: “Though we recognise England need all the help they can get at the moment, we would advise that the escalator is not the place to practise.

    “What if the ball was dropped and hit an old lady further down the escalator?

    “We would advise passengers to be careful, both for themselves and other people at this busy time. To ensure that the Underground is free of crime and free of the fear of crime, our officers maintain a highly visible presence.”
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    That is the most ridiculous, and one of the most scary things I ever heard. An unopened bottle of soda is a very hard object. What about a backpack or breifcase? The fact that you can be stopped and searched for no reason other than an officers whim is proof that Orwell was right.

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    Oh, sad, sad, sad.......

    Is this the nation that once saw the likes of Nelson?

    This should be a wake up call for us here.
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    he had been merely holding the ball as he rode the escalator at Baker Street station in London when he was stopped by a female British Transport Police officer and subjected to a ten-minute inquisition and allegations that he was carrying “a very hard object”, which he should not have done in public as it was a potentially lethal weapon
    Well that is enough to dry up all speech for comment, nearly They are becoming ''weapon paranoid''. Almost anything is potentially a weapon.

    I am now imagining a cop approaching a guy at the train station, who is doing his daily crossword - ''Excuse me sir, that pen you are using - it's pointy and potentially a dangerous weapon. I must confiscate it''.!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post

    From letter:
    “What if the ball was dropped and hit an old lady further down the escalator?
    I'm no expert, but isn't it about the size of a softball,

    forget about the old lady falling down the escalator and the number of people she might take out.

    Okay, so lets carry the balls in a bag in the future, so it can get some leverage on it from a swing, and cause twice the damage. I do believe England is "in a handbasket" and knocking on the doors , there aint no "Going to ...." to it, they are there.

    I guess the only step left is to actually appoint the BG's to political office.
    "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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    I guess the only step left is to actually appoint the BG's to political office.
    Mike - they did that, long - long ago!!!

    One reason perhaps the criminal is revered and victims are second class folks - made to be criminal if they just happen to defend themselves.
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