Loading a 1911 - silly question?
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I am now ...
January 4th, 2007 11:36 PM
Loading a 1911 - silly question?
OK, this may seem strange. I've shot a 1911 for some years now, but always at a range, or controlled shooting area.
I am now able to carry concealed, and find myself in situations where I may need to cycle a round into the chamber in an environment that is more public. Hotel room, car, etc. I find myself concerned that if the gun were to fire, it would be at the least awkward, if not extremely dangerous.
Other than always keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, this never really crossed my mind before.
My question is, is anyone aware of a 1911 style pistol firing when a round is cycled by hand from the magazine into the chamber? Finger out of the trigger guard of course. While I'm sure anything is possible, just wanted to here if anyone had ever experienced this, or heard of it as an issue.
January 4th, 2007 11:40 PM
Never heard of such a thing. Perhaps finding the best avalible area to be safest to point might help. Point toward a engine or floor in a car/truck. Hotel is trickier, but maybe the heater/ A/C unit ?
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January 4th, 2007 11:40 PM
January 4th, 2007 11:43 PM
I've had 1911's longer than I care to admit, I never had this happen or heard of it happening. If you are really concerned, perhaps keep your grip lower on the handle when charging the pistol so the grip safety is never engaged.
January 4th, 2007 11:46 PM
nope never heard of it even if you hold the trigger back it wont go off ..
if your that worried about it you can get a bagmaster i think it is has a kevlar plate in it just for this worry
January 4th, 2007 11:54 PM
It's All In The Finger...
No finger on the trigger...'no go bang'...simple...
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January 4th, 2007 11:55 PM
Hardly possible but there again -nothing is IMpossible!
If having to do this in awkward places then maybe keep (in vehicle at least) a good size sandbag. Overall tho - general good gun handling approach will take care of any dangers.
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January 4th, 2007 11:58 PM
Well, this was probably more hypersensitivity than anything.
I have been following almost exactly the above advice when needing to do this.
I'd just never considered this, and thought it might be a good idea to get other experienced opinions.
January 5th, 2007 01:31 AM
Well it could be possible,if a. the firing pin was stuck out so it hit the primer as the slide chambered the round, in which case the gun would probably go full auto. or b. If the firing pin spring was broken or missing and the firing pin was able to move freely in which case it again could go full auto.
Both of those senarios can be kept from happening by good maintanance and cleaning.
It is just good safety to point a gun in a safe direction while loading or unloading as standard precaution.
Of cource thes can only happen in guns that don't have a firing pin safety or in one that the firing pin safty was dismantled.
January 5th, 2007 02:27 AM
Sometimes at first concealed carry can be uncomfortable and strange .Just keep your finger off the trigger when charging and you'll be fine. I would also always keep the gun loaded so your not cycling rounds in your car and in public. This looks very scary to bystanders. Mine is ready to go unless I am cleaning it. This is how law enforcement carry and is a safe method of carry.
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January 5th, 2007 04:09 AM
Exceedingly unlikely, but a slamfire when chambering a round is probably possible on a gun without a firing pin block safety (like a Colt Series 70) or with the firing pin safety disengaged (some manufacturers use the Swartz system firing pin block safety that's linked to the grip safety, so it would be disengaged when manipulating the slide).
If you're worried about this, one option would be to get a Safe Direction pad. Basically it's a kevlar panel about the size of a sheet of paper that's rated to contain anything up to a .44 mag. Put it on the bed and point your pistol at it when loading.
January 5th, 2007 04:58 AM
Lots of answers, but I haven't seen my question.
Why would you need to work the cycle while you're in a car? A hotel room maybe, but I really don't get that either. Your carry gun should be ready for action when you put it on, and should remain that way until you take it off. (Even then mine is ready to go as a home/hotel/boat defense weapon.)
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January 5th, 2007 05:34 AM
Maybe there should be a Sticky post on keeping the 1911 cocked and locked
Maybe there should be a Sticky post on keeping the 1911 cocked and locked.
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January 5th, 2007 07:11 AM
Originally Posted by Dakotaranger
I don't understand why some folks that carry the 1911 don't carry it the way it was designed to be carried.
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January 5th, 2007 01:10 PM
Carrrying cocked and locked is not the issue. When it's in my holster or safe, that's how it is.
Being new to CCW, this is about establishing safe habits. Don't know that I've worked through all scenarios yet. Been 2 1/2 days so far. Have had a few situations where I felt it best to unload, and then needed to reload later. Hence this discussion.
I don't have the experience that many of the members here do, and was looking for historical feedback on this style pistol.
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