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    Definitely Condition 1.
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    is this still debatable? Take your vehicle out of overdrive in the hills, too. RTFM!
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    Always.
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    Always, only condition 1!
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    Yup for sure.

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    Always one in the tube. If you look there is a poll running on that.
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    Yeppers. What other way would I carry mine?
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    Cocked and lock for me, but Kevin Michalowski definitely isn't smarter than John Browning, apparently has never read the patents and has little knowledge of the M1911's history.

    John Browning designed the pistol to be carried "cocked & lock."
    That's what most people think until they read the actual history of the M1911 (Patent 984,519, application filed Feb. 14, 1910, patent granted Feb. 17, 1911). The M1911 was designed for the US Military, not the civilian market, the rights to produce the pistol for the civilian market was later granted to Colt by the US Government (who was given the patent rights by John Browning), the Military specified hammer down on an empty chamber, with loaded magazine. Browning's design did not have a thumb safety, so he did not specifically intend for his pistol to be carried cock and locked in his original design (see Patent US984519).

    The US Calvary requested a safety of some sort be incorporated into the weapon system so that our mounted troopers would not have to let go of the reins to place the M1910 (later to be renamed the M1911 w/the safety) into a safe condition, Colt designers and Browning came up with the thumb safety. The Cocked & Locked option was intended to be used only until the trooper was dismounted and could safely place the weapon in Condition 3 carry (or it could be temporarily carried cocked and locked to be ready for imminent use by regulation) as called for by the military. So technically, the idea of the cock & locked condition as we call it, originated with the US Calvary and was implemented by Colt and the War Department.

    John Browning’s personal weapon (no thumb safety, cannot by design be carried cocked and locked).



    Model M1910 (no thumb safety, cannot be carried cocked and locked);


    (Photo courtesy of Scott Gahimer and Sam Lisker (Colt Autos.com)
    Woolaroc Museum Collection, Tulsa, Oklahoma)

    M1910 (with thumb safety implemented);


    (Photo courtesy of Scott Gahimer and Sam Lisker (Colt Auto.com)
    Woolaroc Museum Collection, Tulsa, Oklahoma)

    M1911;


    (Photo courtesy of Scott Gahimer and Sam Lisker (Colt Autos.com)
    Woolaroc Museum Collection, Tulsa, Oklahoma)

    1911 owners and carriers who are familiar with the platform carry it cocked and locked because we carry to be ready for imminent use.
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    What's the point in carrying an empty weapon?

    Cocked, Locked and ready to Rock!
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