American College of Physicians proves to be anti gun

American College of Physicians proves to be anti gun

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    American College of Physicians proves to be anti gun

    The American College of Physicians is a group representing Internal Medicine Physicians and Internal Medicine subspecialties. If your doc is an Internist or if you have a specialist that falls under Internal Medicine subspecialties (cardiologist, pulmonoligist, dermatologist, nephrologist, neurologist, etc) they are probably members of this group. They have released a paper that leaves little doubt as to their thoughts on guns. (Full article linked at bottom) Below are some of the highlights. Everything within the quote is their words, unaltered though not complete.

    The medical profession has a special responsibility to speak out on prevention of firearm-related injuries and deaths, just as physicians have spoken out on other public health issues. Physicians should counsel patients on the risk of having firearms in the home, particularly when children, adolescents, people with dementia, people with mental illnesses, people with substance use disorders, or others who are at increased risk of harming themselves or others are present.

    State and federal authorities should avoid enactment of mandates that interfere with physician free speech and the patient–physician relationship.

    Physicians are encouraged to discuss with their patients the risks that may be associated with having a firearm in the home and recommend ways to mitigate such risks, including best practices to reduce injuries and deaths.

    Physicians should become informed about firearms injury prevention. Medical schools, residency programs, and continuing medical education (CME) programs should incorporate firearm violence prevention into their curricula.

    Physicians are encouraged, individually and through their professional societies, to advocate for national, state, and local efforts to enact legislation to implement evidence-based policies, including those recommended in this paper, to reduce the risk of preventable injuries and deaths from firearms, including but not limited to universal background checks.

    The American College of Physicians supports appropriate regulation of the purchase of legal firearms to reduce firearms-related injuries and deaths. The College acknowledges that any such regulations must be consistent with the Supreme Court ruling establishing that individual ownership of firearms is a constitutional right under the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

    Sales of firearms should be subject to satisfactory completion of a criminal background check and proof of satisfactory completion of an appropriate educational program on firearms safety. The American College of Physicians supports a universal background check system to keep guns out of the hands of felons, persons with mental illnesses that put them at a greater risk of inflicting harm to themselves or others, persons with substance use disorders, and others who already are prohibited from owning guns.

    Although there is limited evidence on the effectiveness of waiting periods in reducing homicides, waiting periods may reduce the incidence of death by suicide, which account for nearly two thirds of firearm deaths, and should be considered as part of a comprehensive approach to reducing preventable firearms-related deaths.

    The American College of Physicians recommends that guns be subject to consumer product regulations regarding access, safety, and design. In addition, the College supports law enforcement measures, including required use of tracer elements or taggants on ammunition and weapons, and identifying markings, such as serial numbers on weapons, to aid in the identification of weapons used in crimes.

    The College favors enactment of legislation to ban the sale and manufacture for civilian use of firearms that have features designed to increase their rapid killing capacity (often called “assault weapons” or semiautomatic weapons) and large-capacity ammunition and retaining the current ban on automatic weapons for civilian use. Although evidence on the effectiveness of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 is limited, the College believes that there is enough evidence to warrant appropriate legislation and regulation to limit future sales and possession of firearms that have features designed to increase their rapid killing capacity and can, along with a ban on large-capacity ammunition magazines, be effective in reducing casualties in mass shooting situations. Such legislation should be carefully designed to make it difficult for manufacturers to get a semiautomatic firearm exempted from the ban by making modifications in its design while retaining its semiautomatic functionality. Exceptions to a ban on such semiautomatic firearms for hunting and sporting purposes should be narrowly defined.

    The College supports efforts to improve and modify firearms to make them as safe as possible, including the incorporation of built-in safety devices

    More research is needed on firearm violence and on intervention and prevention strategies to reduce injuries caused by firearms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health, and National Institute of Justice should receive adequate funding to study the impact of gun violence on the public's health and safety.

    Just about the only bright spot in the article, and something I can fully support.

    The College cautions against broadly including those with mental illness in a category of dangerous individuals. Instead, the College recommends that every effort be made to reduce the risk of suicide and violence, through prevention and treatment, by the subset of individuals with mental illness who are at risk of harming themselves or others. Diagnosis, access to care, treatment, and appropriate follow-up are essential.
    For everyone that has a problem with their doc asking questions about guns, get ready to deal with even more of it. Thankfully 90% of the physicians I know are pretty darned conservative, many are gun owners, and all are of at least average intelligence. The progressives that have clearly taken control of this professional association are unlikely to gain much ground with the average doctor.

    Annals of Internal Medicine | Reducing Firearm-Related Injuries and Deaths in the United States: Executive Summary of a Policy Position Paper From the American College of PhysiciansReducing Firearm-Related Injuries and Deaths in the United States
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    They have had a negative bias towards guns for a long time. I first encountered this around 2004 when working with M.D./Ph.D. types for medical research efforts. Many of those extremely intelligent and otherwise reasonable researchers have strong ties to the East or West coasts (grew-up, when to school, or now live there) so their buy-in was pretty easy and complete back then. The biggest difference that I see is now they perceive having a public anti-gun agenda as being more politically acceptable (and less likely to cost them business by alienating their clientele).
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    This gun owner "recommends" that The American College of Physicians stick to medicine and keep their anti-freedom, non-medical related opinions to themselves. I for one, couldn't care less what they think.
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    Hey, this gun owner thinks that maybe a good dose of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (if they dont shut up), would do wonders for their attitude.

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    cn262 there are docs that fit that description, and their percentage seems to be higher among the MD/PhD types... academics almost always swing left for some reason. Thanks to my wife I spend more time around docs than most people, and the vast majority of them won't be on board with playing gun grabbing games. Clearly there are exceptions, but most of them don't see social issues as being in their realm and would likely fall on the other side if forced to make a choice.

    Heck, I know several that would have a surprise for a BG if they tried something. Amazing what you can hide under scrubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormRhydr View Post
    Hey, this gun owner thinks that maybe a good dose of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (if they dont shut up), would do wonders for their attitude.
    Never fear, they will get it, along with you and me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormRhydr View Post
    Hey, this gun owner thinks that maybe a good dose of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (if they dont shut up), would do wonders for their attitude.
    That law already exists. It will just take a couple of years for the full effect to be seen or felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormRhydr View Post
    Hey, this gun owner thinks that maybe a good dose of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (if they dont shut up), would do wonders for their attitude.
    Sadly primary care docs are going to be the last people to suffer from socialized medicine unless they are running small 1 or 2 doc practices. Most of these fools will probably be retired before it gets around to hurting them. With the looks of things they'll probably support what happens to those that follow them.
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    Alas, disappointed in the lack evidence based opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    Just about the only bright spot in the article, and something I can fully support.
    The College cautions against broadly including those with mental illness in a category of dangerous individuals. Instead, the College recommends that every effort be made to reduce the risk of suicide and violence, through prevention and treatment, by the subset of individuals with mental illness who are at risk of harming themselves or others. Diagnosis, access to care, treatment, and appropriate follow-up are essential.
    Hardly a bright spot; they are all in afa categorizing gun owners as dangerous and infringing on our rights, but still want to protect those that actually pose a significant risk to society. As far as access to care, how many can really afford $150/50 mins. Just more running their mouths.
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    The bright spot is that they don't want to get you put on a list banning you from buying a gun because you were diagnosed with depression or anxiety. You'd be amazed at the number of people that are on an anti-depressant or anxiety medicine. If all of those folks woke up in a world where they couldn't own gun I'm guessing the gun community would take a pretty significant hit.
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    Highly educated people sometimes fool themselves into thinking they know about everything!
    Especially what is best for you. Just ask them.
    If scholarly aptitude and college degrees really endowed them with that kind of knowledge, you would think they would be against knives, ballbats, rocks, scissors, graphite pencils, cars and shoelaces too!
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    My doctor and I discuss guns every visit, we are both avid shooters and collectors and are members of the same range. He is an internist and I do not think he would buy into this drivel.
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    I have to suffer the anti-gun sentiment at medschool (note I am a PhD student) often. An example of just how anti-gun they are: asked why I needed to hunt, if the thrill of getting close to the animal to take it down was what I was after why didn't I just shoot photos instead of bullets or arrows?

    I have found 3 out of 100 students that I know who are for guns (myself being the only gun nut, the other 2 are strictly occassional hunters or carry only in the woods)

    My sister is a new doc, she dislikes guns despite being from Communist Russia (actually lived there before we moved)
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    Would love to know what med school you're hanging around in Kentucky that is like that. My wife is still a resident so hasn't been out that long, and that is the exact opposite of the attitudes of her med school classmates. Several of them were active in trying to change policies banning concealed carry on campus. When I went to the range I'd be shocked if there weren't a couple of them out there. After exams it would often be difficult to find a place to shoot at the range because of the numbers of med students there.
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