Using a finger for a gun.

Using a finger for a gun.

This is a discussion on Using a finger for a gun. within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; The other day I posted a video of a woman convience store clerk being robbed by a bum that turned out to be using his ...

Results 1 to 13 of 13
  1. #1
    VIP Member Array havegunjoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    2,206

    Using a finger for a gun.

    The other day I posted a video of a woman convience store clerk being robbed by a bum that turned out to be using his finger in a coat pocket as a gun. Now the thought has crossed my mind when I see some ner-do-well pulling this trick, would I fall for it? If he has a gun, why wouldn't he show it? I know, who wants to be the one to find out it really is a gun, but wouldn't that thought cross your mind too? Would any of us be more likely to draw down on an unseen gun?
    DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.

    Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit
    NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor
    Utah Permit Certified Instructor


  2. #2
    Moderator
    Array Rock and Glock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Colorado at 14,650'
    Posts
    12,552
    Circumstances would dictate exact conclusion, but unseen hands are dangerous with or without a threat. I know I'd move off line and back pronto, but his draw would be pretty slow probably out of a pocket, but I really don't have a hard and fast conclusion. A good reason to keep distance from bums and ner' do wells.

  3. #3
    VIP Member Array NCHornet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Mt Airy, NC
    Posts
    2,156
    It is not so much the gun itself it is the words that probably go along with the pointing of the finger that would give enough cause to put a cap in the guy, something like "Give me your money or I'll kill you!!", many BG's try and get away with not using a weapong because the punishment is much greater if they get caught. Proving that you were in fear of your life doesn't require the BG to have a gun, but it does help.
    When Seconds Count, The Cops Are Just Minutes Away!!
    Carry On!
    NCHornet

  4. #4
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    The concern might well be - is that a snub in pocket? No need to draw, just fire.

    Circumstances for sure must alter events and if the threat is blatent - maybe by the BG saying he has a gun (regardless of actually having one), then I do think it is 'game on'.

    A BG would be being foolish to think somehow his threat was ''downgraded'' just because he knows he has no gun - we would not. It is as dangerous a ploy as the kid who pulls an airsoft IMO.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  5. #5
    VIP Member Array pogo2's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Southwest
    Posts
    3,149

    Gun in pocket?

    Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

    Mae West

  6. #6
    Member Array cpmiv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Pgh, PA
    Posts
    364
    From another thread (http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ad.php?t=19031)

    18. Watch their hands. Hands kill; (In GOD we trust, everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
    There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11? (Yuri Orlov [Nicolas Cage] Lord of War)

  7. #7
    VIP Member Array ccw9mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    27,055
    If force is being used to demand compliance and the threat clearly deadly, regardless if a weapon can actually be seen, it qualifies for use of lethal force in response, IMO. A BG trying an armed robbery by faking a gun with his hand is attempting the exact same crime as someone with an actual gun. It's the forcible compliance aspect that's identical, where a reasonable person would "read" the "gun" as real even though it's hidden, with an identical threat of deadly force component. Very little distinction between the two scenarios, to my way of thinking. So far as I can tell, the laws generally don't distinguish between them and call one merely play-acting. (Want to test the waters? Hand over Monopoly money and see how far the BG goes to clop you upside the head for the insult.)
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

  8. #8
    Administrator
    Array SIXTO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    19,903
    The way I see it, it’s a 50/50 chance they really do have a gun.
    Some of the criminal element are smart enough not to show their gun thinking that if caught their charge would not include a gun specified add on; I.E. Armed, aggravated etc robbery. Plus a lot of states will add time just for the gun. It would be easier to deny the gun if it was never seen.
    Little do they know that most laws included the implied threat clause.

  9. #9
    Moderator
    Array RETSUPT99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    44,795

    A 'Clearly' Delivered Threat...

    would be enough for me...

    There may come a time...where you have no time to think...

    Every scenario is going to be unique.

    If (as the police arrive) a person is laying on the ground near MY car with my wife and I both present (we're usually together), and the perp has a trench coat, hoodie, knife, gun?...I doubt I will have to worry explaining why I shot a Morman missionary. I'm not going to be explaining 'anything' anyway...not without an attorney present!

    This is a tough one to think about...no real answer. Probably the best defense is being alert as avoid obviously dangerous situations...if possbile (i.e. gas stations and ATM's at night, etc.)

    OMO

    ret
    The last Blood Moon Tetrad for this millennium starts in April 2014 and ends in September 2015...according to NASA.

    ***********************************
    Certified Glock Armorer
    NRA Life Member[/B]

  10. #10
    Lead Moderator
    Array rstickle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Laurel, MD
    Posts
    21,876
    What was that famous movie line?

    "Do you feel lucky...... Punk?
    Rick

    EOD - Initial success or total failure

  11. #11
    Member Array Nate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Alexandria, Va.
    Posts
    407
    I'd definitely draw, since I'm not taking any chances. If the guy decides to fold and put both his empty hands in the air, so be it. Of course, if he removes a weapon, too bad for him.

  12. #12
    Distinguished Member Array p8riot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chesterfield, VA
    Posts
    1,950
    Never bring a finger to a gunfight.
    "You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone

    The second amendment is the reset button of our Constitution.

  13. #13
    Senior Moderator
    Array Tangle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chattanooga
    Posts
    9,812
    Pretty much if you're in fear of your life, you are justified to use deadly force. Of course you may have to prove your case in court.

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. EMP finger grip
    By EMPwhat in forum New Members Introduce Yourself
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: April 5th, 2009, 11:09 PM
  2. WTB: Ruger LCP Mag w/ Finger Ext. OR Finger Ext. Floor Plates (TX)
    By TwinCarry in forum Member Buy, Sell & Trade
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: March 31st, 2009, 09:49 AM
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger...
    By ExactlyMyPoint in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: November 29th, 2008, 06:30 PM
  4. Would you ask a BG to keep his finger off the trigger?
    By ExactlyMyPoint in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: October 14th, 2008, 11:15 PM
  5. too little trigger finger
    By Danger Mouse in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: January 9th, 2008, 08:59 AM

Search tags for this page

finger gun pocket

,

finger gun tool move?

,

is that a gun in your pocket

,

who wants to use their finger as a gun

Click on a term to search for related topics.

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!

» DefensiveCarry Sponsors