March 29th, 2007 04:31 PM
Cincinnati man accidentally shoots self, twice
What do you make of this. I have heard of a semi-auto being modififed or having trouble and going full auto, but thats pretty uncommon. Would be nice if we knew the type of pistol. But if it went full auto wouldn't it fire the whole magazine, which would probably be more than 4.
WHITEWATER TWP. - The owner of a Whitewater Township concrete company accidentally shot himself in the hand twice Wednesday, a Hamilton County Sheriff's Office spokesman reported.
Jerry Miller, owner of Miller's Ready Mix Concrete, 5858 Dry Fork Road, was loading a .380-caliber semiautomatic handgun at 1 p.m. when it accidentally fired at least four shots, two of which hit Miller's left hand.
Authorities suspect a "pistol malfunction" resulted in multiple rounds being fired. Miller was taken to University Hospital for treatment.
Can anyone thing of any other "pistol malfuntion" that could cause this beyond the likely operator error (although I would hope he would have stopped firing after the first time he shot himself in the hand.
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March 29th, 2007 04:51 PM
Possibillity of foriegn matter (brass chip,unburnt powder,dirt,broken firing pin or spring etc..) causing protrusion of the firing pin from breech face. This could cause a "slam fire" when slide is racked to chamber a round,and depending on the design,full auto fire. Another good reason why not to put any part of your hand in front of the muzzle when racking the slide...
March 29th, 2007 05:02 PM
It is possible for a semi~pistol that goes full auto to cycle 4 times before the guy could take his index finger off the trigger and/or even realize that his hand was hit....twice.
Just depends on what sort of reaction/reaction time the guy had.
He probably froze up.
March 29th, 2007 05:06 PM
Sounds like the owner pointed the weapon at his own hand, a no-no.
And it sounds like the firearm itself was not maintained properly which again falls under operator error.
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March 29th, 2007 05:12 PM
How does it fire while be loaded? If he was cocking it why would his hand be in front of the barrel? Just trying to figure out what they meant , I know most of these reporters are "gun ignorant" so probably were not sure what to write .
erry Miller, owner of Miller's Ready Mix Concrete, 5858 Dry Fork Road, was loading a .380-caliber semiautomatic handgun at 1 p.m. when it accidentally fired at least four shots, two of which hit Miller's left hand.
March 29th, 2007 05:18 PM
If I remember right, a few weeks ago someone here posted a movie of a .380 semi-auto doing just that same thing.
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March 29th, 2007 05:36 PM
For a slam-fire to oocur, you don't have to have your finger on the trigger. Some kind of foreign body locks the firing pin forward and it just cycles til it runs out of ammo. SKS's seem to have a bad rep of having this happen.
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March 29th, 2007 05:37 PM
Ouch. Bet that hurt. I had a friend do that with a small derringer. It went off due to a broken protrudeing fireing pin. Guess he didn't know witch end the bullet came out.
March 29th, 2007 06:46 PM
Could be a broken sear or hammer hooks.
Possibly a cheapie handgun.
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Foreign material/sand? lodged somewhere in the pistol is also real possibility being as the article states the guy owned a concrete company.
Looks like we'll probably never know exactly.
March 29th, 2007 11:15 PM
I suspect a combination of careless handling (not pointing muzzle in safe direction) and possible cheapie .380. I saw a cheapie .22 fire several rounds in a 'full auto' malfunction, and I think the same company at one time sold a cheapie .380.
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March 29th, 2007 11:59 PM
Well if one doesn't do it....
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