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    USAF Wants A New Side Arm

    From the Air Force Times:

    Air Force lays out specs for its next handgun

    By Seamus O’Connor - Staff writer
    Posted : Friday Apr 20, 2007 10:00:40 EDT

    The Air Force is asking gun makers for their input on the design of the next handgun for airmen.

    The service issued a memo Monday laying out its demands. The service wants a weapon with a baseline caliber of .45, though gun is required to be reconfigurable for multiple bullet sizes. The ideal weapon would have a service life exceeding 25,000 rounds and has a grip that can be tailored for any user, according to the memo.

    In addition, the memo set out specifications for an accompanying silencer. The device must be able to reduce discharge noise to 140 decibels at least, weigh no more than 10 ounces and have a service life of 3,000 to 10,000 rounds.

    The required monthly production rate is 7,500 handguns, starting six months after the forthcoming contract is awarded, the document said.

    The information brought in by the memo will be used to create a request for proposals at a yet unannounced time.

    Gen. T. Michael Moseley, Air Force chief of staff, first introduced the idea of new Air Force handguns at a House Appropriations Committee hearing in February. An unspecified portion of the $7 billion Air Force supplemental budget request is set aside for handgun acquisition.

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    I want to wish good luck to US manufacturers, but who really manufactures here anymore? Hi point?
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    Why does the USAF need a 'built from scratch" handgun? They can't find one among the THOUSANDS of designs already out there? I thought the military was getting away from all the "we have to build/design it ourself" crap that eats up so much time and money, and moving towards off-the-shelf technology.

    Just buy Glocks, and spend the millions and millions of dollars they'll save training their airmen how to use them properly...
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    See HERE for previous thread.

    As for the Chair Force needing new sidearms...doesn't everybody?

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    Puzzling specs

    The service wants a weapon with a baseline caliber of .45, though gun is required to be reconfigurable for multiple bullet sizes.
    This is a little puzzling. Does the writer mean only .45 caliber but different bullet weights, such as 180 to 230 grains? Or is his comment about "multiple bullet sizes" meant to say the gun must be able to handle 9mm and .40 S&W in addition to .45 ACP?

    Perhaps they should look at the S&W M&P gun as a candidate. It is made in the US, has different backstrap inserts for different hand sizes, is reasonably priced, and should eventually be available in all 3 major semiauto calibers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    This is a little puzzling. Does the writer mean only .45 caliber but different bullet weights, such as 180 to 230 grains? Or is his comment about "multiple bullet sizes" meant to say the gun must be able to handle 9mm and .40 S&W in addition to .45 ACP?

    Perhaps they should look at the S&W M&P gun as a candidate. It is made in the US, has different backstrap inserts for different hand sizes, is reasonably priced, and should eventually be available in all 3 major semiauto calibers.
    Could actually be read either way. Different weights (and thereby powder charges) will affect cycling with a can on it.

    I would expect, though, that they mean being able to switch between calibers, since most of the world is 9mm. Maybe a return of the modular breechface?

    Plain stupid, really. We didn't sign the Hague Accords, IIRC, and "Rules of War" is a dated concept, post-massed-forces combat. Shoot real rounds, do real damage. Put out an XTP HP in 124 gr, or a Hornady V-Max in .223, and I do believe mortality would rise a tad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    This is a little puzzling. Does the writer mean only .45 caliber but different bullet weights, such as 180 to 230 grains? Or is his comment about "multiple bullet sizes" meant to say the gun must be able to handle 9mm and .40 S&W in addition to .45 ACP?

    Perhaps they should look at the S&W M&P gun as a candidate. It is made in the US, has different backstrap inserts for different hand sizes, is reasonably priced, and should eventually be available in all 3 major semiauto calibers.
    Probably means .22lr. They have or had kits for the M16's that did the same according to a couple Chair Force vets I know. I thought it was kinda silly, but I'm a jarhead. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    Probably means .22lr. They have or had kits for the M16's that did the same according to a couple Chair Force vets I know. I thought it was kinda silly, but I'm a jarhead. :)

    That might make sense. I've heard this .22 story from guys in before and after I was, But we fired 5.56 nato rounds when I was in.
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    Closing this...since we already have an existing thread.
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