Reloading ? for you expert reloaders

Reloading ? for you expert reloaders

This is a discussion on Reloading ? for you expert reloaders within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Here is a quick ? and maybe you could shed some light on this for me. I have reloaded in the past for my father ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20

Thread: Reloading ? for you expert reloaders

  1. #1
    New Member Array rescueswimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    al
    Posts
    11

    Reloading ? for you expert reloaders

    Here is a quick ? and maybe you could shed some light on this for me. I have reloaded in the past for my father in law he has 4 presses and likes to shoot a lot. Well here is my question before I go out and buy my self one. Im trying to see where if any money I am going to be saving. I realize depending on how much you shoot ect ect. Right now I would be reloading 9mm and 40 S&W. would like to get a 45 and then do that. Here is my dilema. Maybe Im just not finding the right prices. This is an estimate on what its going to cost me for the 40.

    Brass about .05 (untill I get build up a good collection my self)
    FMJ .15-.25
    powder ??????

    So at the bottom end I think Im about .22-.27 for a round of 40. Now I noticed in bulk I can get 500 rounds or 40 for .23 a round. Am I missing something. (these prices were at midway usa) Any information would be greatly appreciated.


  2. #2
    Senior Member Array Shizzlemah's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    723
    Dont figure the brass price into the reloads unless you are buying brass (but realize you get many shots out of a piece of brass).

    I can do a box of .357sig hollow points for about $7, versus $25-30 retail.


    Flipping through the midway cataolog, used 40 brass is 2c-5c.
    New brass is 12-17c.

    .40 FMJ bullets are 7-10c (ranier) & 12-14c for golden saber
    9mm FMJs aroud 6c, 8c for Rem HPs.

    Primer, 2c each.

    Powder, figure $20/lb, and that works out to 3c for a 10 grain charge. You'll likely use a little less.

    So you can load .40 for under 17c/rd even buying used brass or recycling your brass is about 12c/rd ($6 per box).


    Cheapest 40 I have seen was 9.50/bx for steel case, so $6 is a pretty good savings.

    10gr is a hot charge for .40. I run about 6gr for the 45.

  3. #3
    Ex Member Array Pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    2,570
    I'm continually told that nobody reloads to actually save money, they just get more ammo for the same amount of money.

  4. #4
    Lead Moderator
    Array rocky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    MI
    Posts
    16,224
    9mm probably will never be cheaper to reload either. Unless prices skyrocket.
    "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson


    Nemo Me Impune Lacesset

  5. #5
    Senior Member Array blueyedevil's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    615
    Well, trying to quantify what each bullet is gonna cost you is rather difficult to do, simply because the cost of the components alone isn't close to what you have invested.

    The more you shoot and the more expensive the ammo is your loading for will generally mean more of a value gained.

    Some things your forgetting: 1) Primers 2)initial investment in equipment and 3) Time (if you value your time and labor as anything).

    With most pistols your not going to be experiencing much of an accuracy improvement as you would with rifles. And generally you're just gonna be reloading light target ammo for practice.

    with auto pistol, powder goes a long way, light target loads will be 6-7 grains of unique or similar powder (1pound=7000 grains~1000rds).

    Your brass will have different service life depending on the gun your shooting it with, how hot the loads you're firing are, the quality of the brass itself and finally how good you are at reloading and not overworking your brass. So if you figure you're getting an average of 5 reloads per brass you can figure that you're only spending 1/5 of the original investment in brass per round. However you don't truly recoup that untill you've actually reloaded a whole lot.

    But, auto pistol brass is pretty easy to come by, you can usually scavenge all the brass you'll ever need from your local pistol range.

    The real question is, how much ammo will you have to reload to recoup the money invested in your initial equipment. And to be honest most people never will. But the good news is, it can be a rather enjoyable hobby, and it usually makes you a better shooter. The bad news is, if you get hooked on it and are already hooked on the firearm side of it, it can lead to a whole lot of money being tied up in your reloading/safe room.

  6. #6
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    Mixed bag! It will take quite some time to recoup your investment and be in profit but as has been mentioned, overall you will feel an extra freedom to shoot more!

    Scavenging brass should not be too difficult and with target loads brass will reload many times. IMO tho it is worth it - partly because you are in control of your loads which with rifle is more than useful and the other thing - if you have a good stock of consumables then in a time of shortage, or even if your pocket book is rather thin - you can still load up

    It's a long term proposition IMO - but well worth it.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Array Chuck R.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Leavenworth, KS
    Posts
    666
    Switch to cast bullets and buy in bulk.

    I load .45ACP for .09 a round.

    200 SWCs $116 per 2000 delivered

    Primers 5000 for $118.0

    8lbs 231 powder for $115.00

    Brass while a cost, really lasts as long as you don't over do it on the pressures and belling/crimp. I've got .45ACP brass that I've loaded countless times. After that initial purchase, the cost of your reloads drops considerably.

    Chuck
    homo homini lupus est

  8. #8
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Quote Originally Posted by rocky View Post
    9mm probably will never be cheaper to reload either. Unless prices skyrocket.
    And that is why I love reloading 9mm.....

    I pick plenty brass from any range because everybody says the same thing. I think I have close to 10K in cases at home.

    Brass being free means I only spend $88 per 1,000 rounds ($60 on Rainier 124 FNP bullets, $20 for 1K primers (group buy with club members) and bit more than half a pound of titegrup $8. I don't buy powder or primers online saving me the cost of Hazmat and Transpo). The cheapest I have seen is 9mm Wolf at $169 w/ delivery.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  9. #9
    Senior Member Array Geezer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    somewhere
    Posts
    552
    I agree with the others - it will take time to recoup your investment, but reloading is so much fun and rewarding, the cost per round, to me, in not important. Also, there may/will be a time when ammo will be taxed to the point that it won't be affordable. As for components, you can Dillon-out a hefty chunk of change for the best, or get good ol RCBS equipment on ebay for very cheap prices. Reloading adds a lot of pleasure to the hobby.

  10. #10
    New Member Array rescueswimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    al
    Posts
    11
    Wow you guys were fast on that one. I under stand the ROI will not be seen for many many years but I would like to start shooting more and This seems to be the best way to stock pile some good range ammo and a good old stock pile. Thanks again for the info. I saw the rainer and was not sure about them, but it appears you guys use them.

    Last question any good links to reload supplies, ie primers ect.
    Can you guys recomend a good clean burning powder.

    Thanks again.

  11. #11
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Midwayusa.com for all your reloading needs. Also heard good stuff from Natchez... and I dont have the link here.

    But do check for local sellers to save on hazmat fees if you can.

    And it was said before... buy in bulk to save more!
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  12. #12
    VIP Member
    Array srfl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    FL
    Posts
    6,868
    I love to reload....it does take a while to amortize the price of the equipment.
    USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

  13. #13
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Quote Originally Posted by srfl View Post
    This one you have to explain
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  14. #14
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    Last question any good links to reload supplies, ie primers ect.
    Can you guys recomend a good clean burning powder.
    Agreed on Midway ........ but do note - if you get primers or powders on line then Hazmat cost of $20 will be a big cost increase to add to shipping - unless you buy real big quantities.

    I have a place that sells near wholesale about an hour's drive away and a trip there is well worthwhile now and again - if expensive! Check out your area with other shooters if you get the chance.

    Clean burning powders ..... I think Tightgroup is pretty clean and Bullseye too for light loads is handy - 231 is OK too IIRC. But if cast bullets lube'd with Alox then some smoke is generated from that.

    IMO Vitavhuori powders are the cleanest of all but - mega pricey unfortunately.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  15. #15
    VIP Member
    Array srfl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    FL
    Posts
    6,868
    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    This one you have to explain
    ....posted in the wrong spot.
    USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Reloaders???
    By carguy2244 in forum Reloading
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: May 8th, 2012, 01:27 PM
  2. My son's an Expert!
    By BillR in forum Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: July 26th, 2010, 11:50 AM
  3. CAD Expert
    By K-Man in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: February 10th, 2007, 10:01 PM
  4. reloaders
    By snowdoctor in forum Reloading
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: March 20th, 2006, 11:50 AM
  5. Non reloaders
    By P95Carry in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: March 19th, 2006, 05:59 PM

Search tags for this page

bulk bullets freight paid

,

expert reloaders

,

expert reloders

,

how much bullet luve do you use per 1k bullets?

Click on a term to search for related topics.