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    Libraries are used by gangs.

    I was at a birthday party Saturday and one guest told me something that I was amazed to hear. His job was security for Hennepin Co. LIBRARIES. I never knew we ever needed security in a library before, did you? Apparently gang members frequent the libraries because of the free Internet access. They can view porn and communicate with other gang members. Have I been living in a cave or something? Does everyone but me know about this? Our tax dollars at work.

    I thought libraries were suppose to be safe places you can send you kids to. Maybe it is because our local library is in the same building as our police dept. that I have never seen this, but apparently it is prevalent in the Twin Cities.

    The poor librarian's don't know what to do and these unarmed security people go around trying to train them as well as look for problems. Apparently they are suppose to have tazers by the end of the year. I don't know about you but unarmed security is simply a target to me.
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    I thought libraries were suppose to be safe places you can send you kids to.
    No, the library is meant to be a *public* building; and unless said gang-members are breaking some law, they are just as entitled to be there as the next person.

    Food for thought: how would you go about restricting access to libraries so that gang-members could not get in? Who draws the line, and where does it get drawn?

    Things like this are not new. You may be surprised at the places *criminals* can be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickpocket View Post
    You may be surprised at the places *criminals* can be found.
    You mean like the halls of Congress?
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    And in Kansas, no carry in libraries.

    Internet at home, internet at work, and buying books is a great investment. I think I now have enough reasons.
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    No porn allowed at our county libraries, and in the ajoining counties also. This probably isn't a cure-all, but I'm sure it helps. Our biggest problem is homeless people using the library as a home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    No porn allowed at our county libraries, and in the ajoining counties also. This probably isn't a cure-all, but I'm sure it helps. Our biggest problem is homeless people using the library as a home.
    If you mean they won't turn off the porn filters on public internet connections, then I wouldn't be surprised if they get a visit from the ACLU sooner or later. It's pretty well established that adults have the right to look at any legal content they want over a public internet connection. Heck, the ACLU and the Second Amendment Foundation filed a lawsuit against a public library for blocking access to firearms websites last year.

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    "Heck, the ACLU and the Second Amendment Foundation filed a lawsuit against a public library for blocking access to firearms websites last year."

    The ALA is as nearly Left as the ACLU, however. Librarians matriculating during the internet era overwhelmingly consider internet restrictions tantamount to banning books and do it very reluctantly.

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    I had not heard that but it is good info to know. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post
    I was at a birthday party Saturday and one guest told me something that I was amazed to hear. His job was security for Hennepin Co. LIBRARIES. I never knew we ever needed security in a library before, did you? Apparently gang members frequent the libraries because of the free Internet access. They can view porn and communicate with other gang members. Have I been living in a cave or something? Does everyone but me know about this? Our tax dollars at work.

    I thought libraries were suppose to be safe places you can send you kids to. Maybe it is because our local library is in the same building as our police dept. that I have never seen this, but apparently it is prevalent in the Twin Cities.

    The poor librarian's don't know what to do and these unarmed security people go around trying to train them as well as look for problems. Apparently they are suppose to have tazers by the end of the year. I don't know about you but unarmed security is simply a target to me.
    Well ive been to the downtown minneapolis and st.paul library and ive known this for years! I also been to all the libraries in the metro area and even maplewood and roseville are slumholes. I used to go to my local library on the east side of st.paul but not anymore because all the thugs not because im scared but because they are so damn annoying when im trying to read.

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    Equipping Librarians with TASERS is beyond stupid and guaranteed to get somebody killed. The gangs won't cause trouble there. That's a point where they can communicate nationwide. But some nervous nellie might get killed when she or he tasers some punk for playing and refusing to turn down loud, LOUD rap. His bros may kill her whilst she's busy keeping the punk flopping around like a fish out of water. That's why it's called a gang, usually they are found in packs. If there's been no trouble yet, likely there won't be any trouble for the reasons I've stated. Besides, librarians are the polar opposite of the law enforcement mentality. It's almost a popular stereotype. They're likely to over-react and cause death out of ignorance.

    As a former State of Florida Probation and Parole Officer, trust me, you'd be stunned at the numbers of convicted felons at large in todays society. They're standing in line behind you at the grocery store. Sitting next to you in Church. Their kids go to school with your kids and THEY may even be active members of the PTA! Figure that prisons hold less than 4% of the known and convicted bad guys. The rest are on probation, parole or just haven't been sentenced in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post
    Apparently gang members frequent the libraries because of the free Internet access. Does everyone but me know about this? Our tax dollars at work.
    Repeat after me: free access to tools; little to no security; quiet, dark corners where one can work in relative privacy; centrally located, so one can make a quick escape; and a younger population [at least at college campuses] where young toughs can blend in easily. Perfect environment, for such activities. All such environments are perfect, for such activities. Libraries are no exception.

    I thought libraries were suppose to be safe places you can send you kids to.
    Safe, without security, all these years? Not since libraries became far more than a checkout stand for books. Not since that day. And not since the internet has become so useful. Imagine a thug comparing the relative threat of maintaining cell phone or pager accounts, versus anonymous internet access. No comparison. One's a threat. The other isn't nearly so risky.

    I don't know about you but unarmed security is simply a target to me.
    Yup. Unarmed security guards are merely eyes in a place where armed thugs come and go as they please. That's a good thing, but it's gonna get someone killed when one or more thugs doesn't like the attention being paid. They'll figure it out, but I fear it's going to take the bloody death of a number of unarmed guards for that to happen. Only when good people die needlessly are some finally, at long last, convinced of the insanity of certain blind-faith beliefs, and of the uselessness of certain pointless exercises. Dumb.
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    Our Library imposes a 30 minute time limit on each use. If you want more time you have to go to the bottom of the list. That pretty well keeps the looky loos away.
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    I noticed a armed guard in our library the other day and as I proceeded into the library for a research paper I had to do I found a few local "toughs" hanging out being loud and not even touching all the books around them... They were distracting at least, annoying at best so I mentioned them to the "armed guard." He asked me what I was doing in that part of the library, like it was my fault! I told him, a little irritated, that it was where the books on th first world war were located and that I was doing a research paper for a history course I am taking. He said, "Well, I'll look into it," and then went back to talking to a female librarian. By the way, once I got a good look at him I relized that he wasn't armed at all - he didn't even have mace in the six or seven pouches on his belt, which was big enough for me to use as a ... well not a belt.

    Oh, and by the way the front door (all four of them with a frontage of less than twenty feet) have no weapons plastered on them... I should have pointed that out to the young men upstairs, as I am sure they must have missed it...

    Sorry folks... /End Rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin132 View Post
    I noticed a armed guard ... a few local "toughs" hanging out ... He [the guard] said, "Well, I'll look into it," and then went back to talking to a female librarian ... I relized that he wasn't armed at all
    That's about how it goes.

    The mere fact he's got a uniform and his payroll check says "guard" means it's true. He is. However, none of that will make one bit of difference if someone decides to make trouble.
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    Just for clarification Ex...

    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Equipping Librarians with TASERS is beyond stupid and guaranteed to get somebody killed. The gangs won't cause trouble there. That's a point where they can communicate nationwide. But some nervous nellie might get killed when she or he tasers some punk for playing and refusing to turn down loud, LOUD rap. His bros may kill her whilst she's busy keeping the punk flopping around like a fish out of water. That's why it's called a gang, usually they are found in packs. If there's been no trouble yet, likely there won't be any trouble for the reasons I've stated. Besides, librarians are the polar opposite of the law enforcement mentality. It's almost a popular stereotype. They're likely to over-react and cause death out of ignorance.

    As a former State of Florida Probation and Parole Officer, trust me, you'd be stunned at the numbers of convicted felons at large in todays society. They're standing in line behind you at the grocery store. Sitting next to you in Church. Their kids go to school with your kids and THEY may even be active members of the PTA! Figure that prisons hold less than 4% of the known and convicted bad guys. The rest are on probation, parole or just haven't been sentenced in awhile.
    The tasers are for the security people, not the librarians in general.
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