Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide?

Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide?

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    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide?

    This is a very interesting read from the Harvard Journal of Law and Policy.


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    Haven't gone thru the article (in fact couldn't achieve a download) but - a quick thought is that - no ban could possibly eliminate all guns - can't happen. Only legal owners could be stripped of their guns.

    In theory - if - big IF - literally all guns were gone then murders and suicides would just just have different MO's. Suicides would up the Carbon monoxide route or jumping off high places and OD's on pills .... and murders would increase from edged weapons etc.
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    If someone's gonna do it, they're going to do it. With or without a gun.

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    Exactly... The motivating factor or impulse people have to commit suicide is NOT having a gun or having a gun available... It is a desire to end their lives because of some other "Emotional Impulse" and not the fact that they may have a gun within sight.

    Sure there are a few who may utilize a gun in order to make a "statement" but what made them decide to commit suicide was not the gun telling them to do it.

    Those wanting to end their life, WILL end their life. Period.

    Murder is a whole other dynamic and I haven't read the entire article yet, so I won't comment on the "Murder" aspect, but for suicides I believe if they genuinely want to do it, they will do it!
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    The study shows no correlation...

    between gun ownership and murder and suicide rates.

    I will post some quotes later. Just too late right now.
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    Its actually a good read and illustrates the absurdness of those that equate less guns to less crime. Using fairly recent data, it shows that the former Soviet Union had a crime rate of nearly 4 times that of the U.S. even though Soviet citizens have virtually NO access to guns. Compared to the U.S. and its recent CHL laws across the country gun ownership has actually increased while violent crimes have gone down.

    It also shows that Great Britain which recently disallowed its subjects from owning firearms, showed a very dramatic increase in violent crimes.

    Basically the article illustrates the fact that those that think that "less guns" will equal "less crimes" are the idiots that we gun owners always suspected them to be...and this article uses recent data to prove it.
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    If They Try To Take Away All Guns...

    There probably will be more crime...at my front door...that's only a guess on my part.

    Take away the guns? The South WILL rise again...

    Stay armed...stay safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Basically the article illustrates the fact that those that think that "less guns" will equal "less crimes" are the idiots that we gun owners always suspected them to be...and this article uses recent data to prove it.
    Here's me waiting to read about that in the local newspaper.

    See how my face is blue? That's from endlessly holding my breath.

    YES, we've known that anti-gunners are morons -- since the beginning, we've known that, because we know how to apply logic.

    But the mainstream media, which is like 90% leftist, cheerleaders for the government monopoly on force, will not allow this information to reach enough people to make a difference in policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan H View Post
    If someone's gonna do it, they're going to do it. With or without a gun.
    Yep. It's not the tool, it's the one wielding it.
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    The only people who support the idea that 'banning guns will stop killing' are the ones who are anti-gun anyway. They aren't using fact & intellect to come to their decision. They are using emotion.

    Man has been killing since Cain killed Able......& guess what? HE DIDN'T USE A GUN! Bare hands, rocks, sticks & clubs, sharp implements, arrows, explosives or even poison, have all sufficed in man's quest to kill his fellow man. Guns are just another tool in that arsenal of creativity that man has come up with.

    However, guns now have a stigma that used to belong to the sword or knife in previous centuries.

    What would follow the gun ban? Sword & knife bans.....then what? Dirty looks!

    So if guns were MAGICALLY banned tomorrow, as in the UK, we would have a huge increase in crime. I say that for two basic reasons:
    1) Criminals would no longer fear unarmed victims, there wouldn't be ANY armed ones!
    2) Man's ingenuity would come up with new ways to take life. (pass me the phaser please.....)
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    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide?
    By a degree, almost certainly, since now the act would be tougher to achieve. Most would try anyway, but the failure rate would rise. In the case of suicide, there would likely be more failed attempts. In the case of murder, more victims would have a chance to defend themselves. But, all of this at the expense of victims who choose to go down fighting who would be forcibly denied by edict their right to defense. Most of those folks would be caught at the short end of the stick ... and there are millions of them each year.
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    I read some stats about it on the publication called Gun Facts 4.1, and there appears to be no correlation between gun bans and suicide rates. In other words, what everyone else said... if you're gonna off yourself, you'll find a way.
    Gun Control means never having to say "I missed you."

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    The most infamous "single event" mass murder in American history on civilians was perpetrated with BOX CUTTERS! It could sure have been stopped PDQ if the pilots had been armed with handguns, though!
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    Of course it would.

    Of course it would help. The news says so. Everyone knows that guns kill people all by themselves. (Sarcasm off!)

    Hell. CARS kill more people than guns, and they're not even designed to do it. Lets not get into how many people are killed by Malboros and cheeseburgers.

    Isn't it also odd that all the noted gun grabbers have armed protection details?

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