I would make sure he doesn't leave your property with it.
This is a discussion on Toy Guns within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Want some opinions from you guys. What do you guys think about toy guns, (for kids, obviously). My boy is four years old, and a ...
Want some opinions from you guys.
What do you guys think about toy guns, (for kids, obviously). My boy is four years old, and a couple of times he has run around pretending to shoot things.
I'm kind of on the fence here. On one hand, playing cops and robbers never did me any harm, but I also want to make sure he understands that guns are not toys.
The only gun knowledge he has is I have occasionally shown him my (unloaded!) gun. Not given it him to hold, just held it up and shown him. I ask him 'What is this?' And his reply, every time is 'It's very dangerous, and we dont touch it'.
So, he is on the right track. I guess I should maybe find one of those 'Eddie the Eagle' classes. or whatever it's called. Or is 4 too early?
I would make sure he doesn't leave your property with it.
I should add that he does not have any toy guns now, just the ol' fingers....
Well, here is a pretty good thread on what age kids should start shooting, and there is some discussion of toys in there too, take a look, maybe it will help.
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I certainly agree with keep at home. I would also use any toy given as a good reason to explain (in full) the gun rules of safety.
I walked around the place with my toy guns but that was half a century ago! These days I am more ambivalent because of the crazy PC aspect - as well as safety when these things get played with outside homes.
Make it a good learning tool and the benefits should outweigh any disadvantages.
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Buy him one by all means. Proper education and safe handling by you are the keys.
I let my boy play with toy guns, I also instruct all my kids about gun safety. I will not allow them to take it off our property. The Oakland press just ran a story here where a bill is being introduced to ban toy guns here in Michigan because cops are afraid they are going to shoot a child accidentally. It has happened already.
A child's mind is like a sponge. They absorb what they see and hear. (Don't believe me? Say something you don't want your child to repeat once when they can hear you.)
Though it may become monotonous to you, keep repeating the safety rules to him. After a couple of days repeat them and show him at the same time. It will sink in. When he is older, these things will be second nature (worked for me when I was a kid, and I have been doing the same with my little boy who is three and just got his first cap gun not long ago).
He even knows that he doesn't shoot his squirt gun at anyone unless I tell him it is O.K. to do so.
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You know, I have to fess up and admit that I hadn't even considered the issue of him playing 'off the property'. Thats a very valid point.
Me and my friends at the time used to run all over the neighborhood with our toy guns. Of course, this was a different time and place.
Thank you for that.
I grew up with toy guns.. you know, the little toy looking revolvers you could open up on the side and put those rolls of snap paper in? I can't even remember the name.
My God, us kids would run around the house shooting each other. We would take our guns to our cousins house. We would tear all over that place.. everyone got a gun, everyone was "shooting" one another, falling "dead" on the floor, criticizing each other's ability to "die" believably.
As my older brother and cousins got older their "toy" guns got more and more believable. They would buy guns that looked and felt so incredibly real that they even had fake (real looking) bullets that could be put in the cylinders to make it that much more realistic.
They would do fake "high-noon-style" drawing contests and even do photo shoots and put on performances where they'd pretend to shoot each other. They even got to use their "very real" looking toy guns in a school play one year.
Not ONCE in my younger years did my parents ever sit down with any of us and tell us the difference between toy guns and real guns.
Not ONCE did they show us a real gun and say, "This is dangerous. Don't touch it."
Not once did they EVER instruct us on the "four rules" of safety.
In fact, we all knew were the real guns were. there was one in Dad's closet, under the bed, the shotgun was in the corner, and there was a revolver in the cabinet by the front door.
We had all gone out to the range with my Dad and his brothers. We saw the bullets, we saw them get buried and even go through logs. We KNEW those were the real ones and that playing with those equaled trouble.
No one sat down with us and gave us a lesson on the difference between toys and real guns because we just kind of "got it."
After we went down to the range with the Dads and uncles we went home to help them clean. We saw all the moving parts that our guns didn't have. We saw how much more intricate they were, and how much more heavy. It was pretty darned obvious to all of us that there was a distinct difference between the two.
In fact, shooting the REAL guns was like a right of passage in our family. Those who were deemed old enough and responsible enough to shoot the "real" guns were idolized and they shoved their accomplishments in the faces of the younger like a taunt: "I got to shoot my Dad's 9mm."
OOOhhhh, those were words to induce jealousy in any child in our family.
We only got to watch as the older kids actually got to shoot... THE AGONY!
Kids are more perceptive than a lot of adults give them credit. They know what's real and what's not.
I look back on the potential to have an accident in our home and it was certainly there. Like I said, no gun was ever locked in a safe (my Dad didn't even get a safe until I went away to college and I'm the youngest of four). There were loaded guns everywhere and when my brother started buying his own guns, walking into his room was like walking into an armory with nothing but loaded guns.
I remember being 12 years old and helping him load his shotgun after target practice and learning it up against his dresser next to the SKS.
Now, when my kids come along, I'll probably be a little more proactive about it. We'll have a safe, we'll instruct them on the four rules, but we'll certainly take the mystery out of guns when they are young.
I won't have any problem with letting them play with toy guns.. Let them play. They'll learn the difference, just like I did.
Not too long ago I was working as a reserve deputy at a college football game. I was standing in the concourse talking to a friend of mine that I ran in to. Out of the corner of my eye I see this kid standing off to the side alone, he's probably about a junior or senior in high school, and I notice the grip of a revolver sticking out the front of his pants. Leaving my friend standing there, I walked toward the kid, closed the gap between us quickly, pushed him in his chest away from me and at the same time grabbed the gun with my other hand. At the moment I touched it I knew it was plastic, but my actions were already in motion. It was a fine replica of a revolver with a red end on the barrel, of course I couldnt' see the red part because it was in his pants. I chewed him out, escorted him out of the stadium, and kept his plastic gun. He was dumb and lucky all on the same day.
I well remember the round red rolls for cap pistols, that fed poorly, causing endless FTF's. Also Greenie Stick-um caps. It seems we spent an endless amount of time shooting them at each other or imaginary bandits. I even remember seeing a toy-cowboy-robot-type maniquin that you could activate and have quick-draw events against. As kids somehow we knew definitively that the cap guns were toys, and my Dad's guns were very real. The real guns hung unlocked on the wall on a simple wooden gun rack, ammunition nearby, and they were totally off limits. None of us even suggested that we touch the real guns, somehow it had been ingrained into us not to, and we abided by it fully. We never had an AD or ND whatsoever, 100% safe time. Whatever it was basically worked for our generation, I wouldn't apply it today though.
Helpful hints on pushing back and strengthening the 2A:
There was a recent article about an 11 year old kid arrested for pointing one of those rubber-band guns out a car window at someone. He was playing cops and robbers by himself, he was the cop, they were the robber. Some sheep called a cop on him and the community is now safe from this little desperado.
I say give him the toy gun. We have too many sheep in this country and I loved guns when I was a kid. Funny because there were never any real ones in my home.
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From about the time I was 9, I owned a Daisy BB gun, and carried it daily during the summer out at our lakefront cottage. Most of the other kids had them, too. There was plenty of room in the countryside for this at the time, and the land owners didn't care as long as we stayed out of the crops. I became very accurate after awhile. We'd sit at the edge of a clover field and shoot bees off of the blossoms. I never really played with toy guns much because of the BB gun.
It you do decide to allow you child to play with guns, i will not weigh in there, I recommend that the toy guns are either clear plastic or completely Orange for safety.
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I grew up with toy guns, and like some of you, ran all over the neighborhood playing with them. But at the same time, I was taught proper gun etiquette, I was taught how to shoot pretty early on. My Dad taught me to never point it at people, to not put my finger on the trigger, to always check to see if it was loaded, etc....and I remember that some of that was with me when I'd play with my toy guns, the only time I pointed it at a buddy was when we played and I intended to shoot him...lol My sister has a 3 yr old, he will be 4 this Nov...I asked how she felt if I bought him a toy pistol or rifle, when he got a lil older of course, and she was a lil hesitant to say OK, only cuz she was there with me when dad taught me. I think with the proper teaching, it would be ok....but hey, I'm not a parent.
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