No win situation?

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    No win situation?

    I've had a bad run of luck recently, stitches in the palm of my weak hand, emergency dental work while in SF etc, my dentist accidently breaking a tool inside a root canal he was making and not being able to retrieve the broken tip.
    That last one, the half finished root canal, was deemed non-salvagable and so yesterday I had the tooth extracted. I'm a tall guy and my back teeth reflect that, it was over an inch long. Took a while to get out, the dentist was sweating when he was done.

    That leaves me where I am today. For all intents and purposes I am incapacitated as I'm taking some heavy duty pain meds, I'm sleeping a lot and the pain is going away. Should be good tomorrow.

    However, my wife came home and asked me if I wanted to go out with her and run a few errands. Nothing much, just a trip to Target and the library. I needed to circulate some blood & get some fresh air so I went for it.

    But because I feel so groggy I made the decision to go out unarmed. First time since getting my permit. Even when we are going somewhere that prohibits carry in the building I always carry to and from the location.

    My reasoning is that I do not feel competent enough to make the split second decision to defend myself, the meds are effecting me like I am drunk.

    My wife still carries, I am not totally defenseless.

    It is a very hard decision to make, I was not 'sober' enough to drive. It would've been very easy to slip a gun on my belt and pretend I was fine. But if I overreacted or shot off target due to being sedated I would be in a very bad situation.

    Anyone else make a similar decision?

    How did you reconcile that decision with yourself? Especially considering that while you are ill you are probably more likely to be a weak prey for any BG?

    I see it as a no win situation where I was just lucky. Not at all how I like things to be...
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    anytime I am on meds that could impede judgment I do not carry. If I get over the counter cold medicine I buy the non drowsy stuff (also checking warnings).
    Being a responsibly citizen and permit holder requires us to use our best judgment.
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    Washington Laws regaurding using firearms under the influence of drugs or alcohol have the same limits as driving . It boils down to if you think you are unable to drive then likewise you should not carry.

    I personally don't go out if I can't Drive, therefore I don't carry in public.

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    Rocky, said and took the words right out of my mouth, No way i could say it any better.
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    Hard decision but a wise one.

    The word ''responsibility'' is probably our key maxim IMO - and that can include best judgement of all sorts.

    Hope the sore mouth/jaw soon eases - dental stuff is a nightmare.
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    yeah, get better soon. I am home with stomach flu today. Pain in my side is making me grumpy.
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    Good decision. Of you are not close to 100% it's probably best to leave the gun at home. And the best judge of that is you!
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    Hope you get better soon. I think you made the right call. If the wife is armed..then you're still protected. Of course if she's like my wife and she had to "come to your rescue" there would be no END to the ribbing I'd have to take from her
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    Sound judgement, 0.02. I have the same advantage you have, since my young bride carries (and shoots very well), she's there to watch my back. It's not the ideal situation, but it's the smart choice.

    What a run of rotten luck for you lately! I've been through dental work hell myself, and can definitely sympathize.

    Maybe we need a cheer-up thread for you again.
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    You're better off not carrying. While you worry for your well being, you have to consider the state you're in. Being armed might actually be a liability. You can't react quickly, you might fumble around, & could end up having the gun turn on you, in the BG's hands.

    If you have to go out, carry a knife. Again, you might not physically be able to use it, but at least the liability is less. I know I'd hate to righteously fire a shot, but missing & hitting an innocent. & nothing will save you on that one. A blood test will end it for you, as well as your conscience. I think you chose well, but it is an uncomfortable position to be in.
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    Raevan FTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
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    He's close to the win, but he said that if he can't drive he won't go out, I was driven by my wife.
    That's a grey area, I'm not slurring my speech or falling over. I managed to order a coffee and they understood me, so I couldn't be accused of public intoxication. But at the same I was way over my self-imposed levels of intoxication, and if involved in a shoot would be deemed unfit.

    My guess is that a lot of people drive in a worse state than I've been in today (I don't mean TN...) and get away with it until they get in a wreck.

    What I did was foresee the 'wreck' that could've happened if I had gone out armed and 'stoned'. I avoided it by being unarmed, but in that process left myself open to attack.

    I'm still going over it all in my head, I know I did the right thing. It's just a catch-22 waiting to happen though.

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    When I read your title I thought you were talking about getting married...

    Anyway, sounds like you made a responsible choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBrombach View Post
    When I read your title I thought you were talking about getting married...
    Ha ha, do I have to post yet another picture of my wife to prove how wrong that was?
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    You are a very level headed guy 0.02. I say you made a good decision. I would have done the same thing. Pain meds, alcohol, any number of other things that may cloud the mind do not go well with carrying.

    Good for you, even though it does suck pretty bad being out there among the hidden scum bags naked doesn't it?

    Feel better soon my friend.
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