Swartz safeties are bad?

Swartz safeties are bad?

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    Swartz safeties are bad?

    I was reading on another forum regarding 1911's and it was said to stay away from Swartz safeties? Could some one familiar with 1911 tell me what they are, why they are bad and how to tell if your gun has one?

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    The Swartz safety is a firing pin safety. It keeps the firing pin from moving unless the grip safety is depressed. The original 1911 design doesn't have any sort of firing pin safety, meaning that the weapon can theoretically fire if it were dropped from a fairly great height and landed just the right way. As a practical matter, the danger is fairly insignificant, but for litigation reasons, some manufacturers offer some sort of firing pin safety. In addition to the Swartz system, there's also a different sort of firing pin safety that's actuated by the trigger that's Colt uses on the Series 80 1911s.

    The reason some people don't like the Swartz safety is that if it's not properly adjusted, the regular grip safety mechanism can disengage before the Swartz firing pin safety does (the firing pin safety is supposed to disengage first). If this happens, it's possible to pull the trigger and have the hammer fall, but the gun doesn't fire because the firing pin is still locked in place.

    John Farnam has some info on the Swartz safety here.

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    Never a problem with my Kimber Ultra CDP II, which has a Swartz safety.
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    Kimber and smith are the ones you hear the most complaints about espically if you use a high thumbs grip

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    So I assume that by what i have read in the attached file that because I have a "CZ" DW CBOB that I will be picking up soon, it has an internal extractor so it will not have a "Swartz" so i guess my concern is moot at this point.

    Thanks for all the information. I always seem to be able to get my education in order here.

    MikeV

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